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one of the subjects that we haven't

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discussed except in passing on the power

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cast over the years and singer Lee five

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years now has been the legends of the

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men and black now yeah we had a

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discussion kind of a remembrance of grey

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Barker from the movie shades of grey on

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a few months back and we talked about

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his contribution to the men in black but

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before we got on I learned that one of

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our guests actually wrote a book review

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in the third grade about gray Barker's

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book they knew too much about flying

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saucers who do we have funny you should

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ask we have our co-host Chris O'Brien a

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second co-host bring up the rear Greg

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Bishop in awhile since we've seen you

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we have Tim Beck Lee we have Allen

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Greenfield and we have a special guest

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whom you'll hear from later

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Claudia Cunningham with some unusual

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insights into the men in black so ok Tim

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Beck Lee you're in the third grade let's

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go back through time yeah I got you

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obviously a subject you do a book review

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now I guess some the obvious ones I

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decided not to do Silas Marner how to

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pick something a unique and unusual it

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was a book by grey Barker called they

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knew too much about flying saucers I've

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never been that was never too great in

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school I slept through a lot of classes

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to Long John on the radio believe it or

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not instead of doing my homework I

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enjoyed the book tremendously and I

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presentation because I got a B maybe it

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was a b-minus because the teacher was a

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little bit of a hard nosed there but I

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didn't get a good grade

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synchronicity obviously in that the gene

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because a great barker was my first

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publisher when I was about 15 or 16

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graceful syrian press put out my first

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book which is still in print the shaver

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mystery and the inner earth which is

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known as subterranean worlds inside

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earth he also did a my book of space

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contacts and a book that I did about

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researcher so great I were a pretty good

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whenever you know his credibility has

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been blood on them many times perhaps

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even on your show by Jim Mosely but all

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mischief in his heart but for anyone to

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dedicated as he did there's something

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is very tragic you know he did a lecture

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for our the various conferences and

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expose that we had around the country

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and he always did it there just for

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airplane fare just like most of the

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speakers did obviously that's because

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gather but yeah let's go seconds here so

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the last fifty hardcover copies of that

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book which I got my B minus on in the in

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the third grade and you know gene

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there's something spooky about this that

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most of you follow just kind of sweep

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this under the rug but synchronicity

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believe that in the third grade I would

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have the opportunity to review that book

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and later on in life be published by

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grey and then they'll buy the last 50

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remaining copies of things and too much

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that later I think that there's a

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collective consciousness out there John

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see you Lily called that the Galactic

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coincidence control he believes it

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actually was an intelligence out there

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that controls synchronicity and I would

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have to agree with them Greg Bishop

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you've done some studies into the

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so-called man in black what can you tell

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said what do you know about the men in

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black mythos whatever he wants to call

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it and a lot of people could guess what

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his take on it was he said that the

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government had used the men in black

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mythos to do to play dirty tricks on

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people to get information out of them

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and all that so they were actually

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government men in black people but they

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were using it as a ruse to to scare

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information out of people and get you

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everything which sounds entirely

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plausible I'm sure but let's look at

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this here obviously our first inkling of

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the legend of the men in black goes back

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to Albert K bender

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so Albert Caine bender runs this

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organization and he claims after not

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very much time that he has to shut it

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down because he's been visited by free

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men in black who said you have found the

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secret of UFOs and it's time for you to

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shut up let me ask you Greg having

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studied a lot of this was that just a

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tall tale something to give an excuse as

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to why he was getting out from under

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this field well I know for sure I've got

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the idea that bender got very involved

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with this subject and so any kind of

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input into his life having to do with

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the would the UFO subject probably was

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looked upon with great significance by

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him which meant he had a paranoid mind

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and I believe and woods makes what he

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would out of what his surroundings were

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because I don't think apart from bender

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and if somebody can correct me but

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there's any corroboration for anything

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he ever wrote or said about his men and

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black experiences or actually a few of

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the other one well of course he was also

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a contactee he claimed to have met wise

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people from the via contact he is right

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so what was going on in his room with

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pictures of werewolf and things like

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that pace to do his wall they used to

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freak is that again yeah but you know

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you know this is Tim over here that's

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not that unusual look at the me for

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example I have a sincere interest in

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UFOs and the paranormal but I'm also

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mystic repo I do low budget horror

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movies so one thing really doesn't have

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that much to do with another it's just

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an interest now actually I might be the

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only one here today who actually met

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Albert cave under I know did anybody

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else be fenders I raise my

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madam he lives out in LA as far as I

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know anybody that's trying to approach

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him gets chased off as well he would be

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awful elderly if he were still alive I

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only a lectured for a gym Mosley's a

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group back in the guess that would have

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been the 70s or something like that

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sixties Tim Jean the first time we have

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this book out called flying saucers for

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men right excuse me maybe why don't we

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do this and Tim is maybe explain to our

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listeners and we'll get more into this

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as we progressed with the show but he

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comes out with this book and the three

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men are really aliens according to him

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they have a base under the South Pole I

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believe and they take him there and they

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materialize in his home and they warn

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and he has bad things occur to him it's

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like all this negativity soon you know

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accumulates in his in his life I think

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everybody takes that totally that story

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with a total brain of thought I do

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not very good science fiction but his

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original story he did present at the

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Congress of scientific ufology he sent a

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tape in - Jim Mosley which Jim played

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actually gave at the I would believe it

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would be the hotel a Woodstock in New

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York and a little room there and held

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about a hundred people and those in

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those days in fact online there is a

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couple of photos of Albert they're

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showing what the beings from this planet

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collections I have a three of the CD a

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set that includes some of that yes he I

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don't think he changed his story he just

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came out of semi-retirement to be a

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sci-fi presenter but so basically the

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long short of it is that his story of

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the men in black was a tall tale it's

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something he made up for whatever

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book was a science fiction book right

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with because there's nothing to

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substantiate his claims in it but if you

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read his original publication which was

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space review it was a very nice little

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love newsletter with UFO reports and

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inciting as details and things nothing

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whatsoever to do with anything the

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horror or even outlandish I mean I say

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if we all do the station break we have a

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large assemblage of guests we have our

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Lee we have a special guest of Tim's

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Claudia Cunningham all this happening

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please write us with your comments news

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the only function Chris will serve today

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because been reporting this on his day

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off well it's because he's busy

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answering questions that I sent him for

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book that I'm working on

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I don't think he has an answer for that

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but seriously speaking ladies and

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gentlemen we have Chris O'Brien and Greg

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Bishop as our co-hosts Allen Greenfield

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Tim Beck Lee Claudia Cunningham so Chris

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Tim is working on a book I meant in

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black and he's talking to you about it

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yeah once you go ahead and describe the

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book yeah it's actually a book about

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what I call the dark side of ufology it

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includes an old rare tome called round

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trip to hell in a flying saucer which

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was written in about 1950 and 6 where

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gentleman claims that he was actually

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whisked away to a planet called health

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by Satan now that's a rather outlandish

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story to say at least but you know Nick

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Redford who we interviewed in this book

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did a his own work about this government

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think tank that believed that demons

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were actually behind the UFO phenomena

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there is actually all sorts of evidence

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to to show that the UFO witnesses are

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being possessed there is also evidence

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of course of not only useful not

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shape-shifting but even the craft

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themself morphing in the in midair so

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we're taking this from all sides and of

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course Chris is an expert on the tricks

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there and on shape-shifting so I have to

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include him in the work now what you're

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referencing here by the way is that book

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that Nick wrote called final events and

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the secret government group on demonic

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UFOs and the afterlife that was on our

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October 3rd show Chris was there I was

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there and Nick was there talking about

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it

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now let's look into some of the

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ramifications here Chris do you think

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that some of these men and black cases

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may have some trickster or trickster

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--is-- elements to them absolutely in

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fact some of the most well-known in

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classic encounters have very treacherous

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qualities the one case I think the jock

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fillet mentions in his book

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confrontations I believe or it may have

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been messengers of deception where two

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of these men and black types came into a

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restaurant during a pretty pretty bad

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snowy day and we're dressed properly for

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the weather and then I if I memory

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serves me correct probably somebody

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knows the story better than I do they

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tried to eat jello with a fork or one of

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them did gee I just I'm I'm not man in

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black well genius yeah but yeah I do

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think actually that there are true cases

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of this of a paranormal nature but I

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think they're vastly outweighed by more

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mundane government agents showing up and

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trying to silence UFO witnesses or gain

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more information entirely I think there

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are very few cases that include

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government workers most of these things

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at least in the cases that I have

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collected and read and that would be

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four or five hundreds I I would say that

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95% of them are of paranormal nature

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that we're talking about by the real sir

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nothing yeah something very very strange

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about it in fact there was a very

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well-known case during the Waunakee New

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Jersey UFO flap back in the 1960s I

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wrote that up for fate magazine where

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the town council was actually convened

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and in City Hall and they had a big

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debate over what they should do about

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these these sightings and some so-called

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investigators came into the room and you

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should flash the credentials and years

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later came out oh they must have been

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investigators from the night cap the

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national investigations Committee on

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aerial phenomena see and that confused

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the witness into thinking they were in

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official organization well recently

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there was a posting on the

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the Internet and of course we can't

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verify it but the posting is there from

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a gentleman who was at that meeting who

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says absolutely not members of nightcap

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these were some guys that threatened to

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take them out in the back you know the

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back alleyway or to pull guns on them

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these were not government officials

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these were not members of a nightcap but

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also getting yet the members of nightcap

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have ever been accused of carrying

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firearms so I would say that 95% of

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these cases are hallucinatory in the

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sense that they may not have actual

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appearance you know it it's a paranormal

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thing and a few cases maybe government

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agents that misrepresent themselves

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because we know for a fact that there

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are government agents that have a

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personal interest in this that when they

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go to investigate a sighting or and

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landing or an encounter that may not be

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officially out there to to research it

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but are doing it kind of on their own I

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was gonna say that there are cases that

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absolutely are implausible in that for

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instance the witness would have a

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sighting or a close encounter and would

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tell nobody and before they could blink

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literally within minutes people would

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show up and then try to silence them

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those those type of cases are very very

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difficult to explain away as as some

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sort of a government agency agency or

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some sort of governmental workers my own

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own experience in in this particular

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aspect of the field is very limited in

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that I had only had one or two maybe

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three reports that would fall into this

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category out of several thousand you

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know reports or stories that I

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investigated over the years and so it's

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not something now I am intimately

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familiar with of course I can only go

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based on you know my own research and I

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do find that there is a potential for

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more government involvement than you

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would think in this whole field because

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I think this is a perfect way to create

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plausible deniability and and to keep

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people quiet

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and also let's figure that the

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government today their technology

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probably has caught up with that of the

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the men in black a black ticket

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create Holograms and tap your phone and

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do other malicious things that the MIB

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were accused of doing

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25 years ago and it would be very normal

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or fanciful and today it's probably just

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run-of-the-mill Big Brother Allen

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Greenfield I wanted you to chime in here

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and we're gonna break for next segment

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in just a moment but you are to book

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about the men in black then I gather has

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more of a mystical aspect to it would

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you explain that in 30 seconds or less

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no you can start let's just do an

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introduction and then go on it's my next

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segment I think first of all the term

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men in black needs to be defined because

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in most cases they are not necessarily

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dressed in black and they're almost

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certainly not men in the usual sense we

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mean that term even the government cases

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often you'll have the men in black who

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act funny but flash credentials in two

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hours later you'll have somebody

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legitimately from the wall in the old

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days from the Air Force currently from

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whatever agency show up and they're

520
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totally mystified by the people that

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showed up before but I think these cases

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run from 1947 to the most recent I have

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a have a similar but probably different

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individual cases from gems of about five

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six hundred cases running all the way up

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to August of 2010 and I'll be glad to

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discuss why I think they happen when

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there's a little more time to do so

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well we're going to give you that time

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but I think one of the things we're

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going to try to look at here as to

532
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whether most of the men in black cases

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it's just a myth the myth of course that

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brought about the comic book and the

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movies and everything or there's reality

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behind it which of course is what we're

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seeing here the guest's group we have

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two guest hosts two co-hosts as a matter

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of fact we have Chris O'Brien Greg

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Bishop our special guest Tim Beck Lee

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Allen Greenfield Claudia Cunningham

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we'll hear from her soon I'm gene

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okay so Allen the floor is yours now

650
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obviously you're accepting a reality

651
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here that's not just some government

652
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654
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655
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I'll cop to the following in the early

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1950s after the 1953 CIA panel I know

657
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for a fact because I was told by Dewey

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fournaye that were there was a decision

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to end the the Red Scare environment of

660
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the time to disrupt local UFO groups for

661
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fear they might be infiltrated by

662
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communists and used to set off a false

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flap while the evil Soviet Union all in

664
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quotes invaded as well we were

665
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preoccupied with UFOs and I'm sure there

666
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were some cases of that there are some

667
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people who in fact have argued that the

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original national investigations

669
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Committee on aerial phenomena which was

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the first group I joined in 1960

671
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actually was I fought for that great

672
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power was very big on the island is a

673
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fairly persuasive case their board of

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directors included you know the chair

675
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was an ex-cia director and blah blah and

676
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so on they tried to act like a para

677
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government agency anyway so it isn't a

678
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big leap to say that it was founded by

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sincere guy and taken over by the CIA to

680
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be to direct people towards worrying

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about supposed censorship of UFO cases

682
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rather than examining the phenomenon for

683
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what it is and I think some men in black

684
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cases during that period and that's an

685
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awfully long time ago I hate discussing

686
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the old cases as if there weren't new

687
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they may have been indeed government

688
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agents trying to act weird to freak out

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the UFO investigators at the time but

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not not like the case that that Tim is

691
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talking about not like the classic

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succubi

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incubi type cases where someone sees a

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UFO and then they get raped by an

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invisible creature is that a man in

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black case or not well by my lights it

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is if we take the term to mean these

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forms that are attracted to UFO cases

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and scare the bejeezus almost literally

700
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out of the people tried very hard on a

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TV show that I did mmm two years ago was

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shown Thursday night in a bizarre

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coincidence with three other programs

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that I was on I was

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it was my history child night for some

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reason which I don't know that one was

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new the other two were I didn't even

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know they were going to be on I was just

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leaving the channel on so I'll remember

710
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but I tried very hard to get this case

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long because it was a local guy who had

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he was a hotel clerk at the time and he

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had seen a UFO and he saw these two

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clearly uniformed Air Force officers

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come into the hotel and sit around the

716
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lobby and talk loudly about his UFO case

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which made him extremely nervous

718
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I maybe garbling this slightly because

719
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this was again not one of my cases it's

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one I tried to get the late and semi

721
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lamented UFO Hunters to to interview him

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on their program and I didn't pursue it

723
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any further once they were clear that

724
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they were not even going to do the

725
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interview in this vicinity they took me

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to her on eclis to Huntsville over to

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the to the Redstone Arsenal and Space

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Camp for for that particular program but

729
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anyway he sees these two guys and then

730
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they get me elevator go up few minutes

731
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later two other guys dressed exactly the

732
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same this is I asked him if this was

733
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typical of the hotel he said no it was

734
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not typical we we did not get oh he got

735
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all commercial pilots and things that we

736
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did not get military personnel

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was in peacetime too I might add this

738
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was in the role relative peace Tom I

739
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think 1998 if I recall correctly so

740
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about 12 years ago they were dressed

741
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identically had the same rank insignia

742
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but they were different men clearly they

743
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sat down and began talking about the

744
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same topic walked out of the hotel 10

745
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minutes later the other two came down

746
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the elevator and walked out of the hotel

747
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clearly there's something going on of a

748
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paranormal nature in cases of that sort

749
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neither well in my opinion either these

750
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are actual Air Force personnel and all

751
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of us have have seen these occasional

752
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memos that come out where were frankly

753
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government agencies are furious that

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people have misidentified their

755
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themselves as their personnel and I

756
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don't think that's a cover those things

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are usually emerge under the Freedom of

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Information Act and are reluctant but

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and that the names are removed but

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clearly they don't want to take

761
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responsibility for that because it isn't

762
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their people in fact what those people

763
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are doing if they're people at all which

764
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I don't really believe they are are not

765
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responsible the government agency is not

766
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responsible but these people are

767
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committing a felony

768
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alright let me just ask you a quick

769
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question Alan before we go on okay

770
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they're not the government very et

771
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they're what first of all I'm not sure

772
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there is any such thing as an EP or to

773
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put it another another way I'm not sure

774
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the universe conforms to a 19th century

775
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or 17th century or Copernican model at

776
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all in fact most of the most recent

777
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astrophysics post Hubble has indicated

778
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the universe is enormous ly vast but

779
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great distances are involved and I have

780
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been saying since very early in my

781
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apology career that we have no evidence

782
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whatsoever

783
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anyone other than us going from one

784
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planet to another Andy the assumption

785
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that because something is weird and

786
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involves aerial phenomena part of the

787
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time and beings part of the time that we

788
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don't recognize that it doesn't have

789
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more to do with fairy lore and fairy

790
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land or other dimensions or other states

791
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of reality or other vibrational spheres

792
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in other words more of a middling sort

793
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of view of the universe than something

794
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to do with people from some vastly

795
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different distant star system I think

796
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Allen you're going to have to explain to

797
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a lot of listeners when you drop the

798
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name Mead lame they don't know what

799
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you're talking about so maybe explain to

800
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them ok before the term Flying Saucer

801
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:33,590
before there was a lot of publicity

802
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:36,260
about flying discs at least in the

803
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:39,710
modern era there was a wave of UFO

804
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:43,640
sightings in the 1890s there was a

805
00:34:48,850 --> 00:34:46,310
similar wave at the same time in

806
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,860
Northern Europe which resembled

807
00:34:53,350 --> 00:34:50,240
airplanes only there were no airplanes

808
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:53,360
and in America there were no dirigibles

809
00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:56,419
but that's what they looked like they

810
00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:58,670
were a generation away and sometimes I

811
00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:00,310
wonder if people were just not seeing

812
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:03,080
something out of phase with time but

813
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:05,390
that's more of an amusement for myself

814
00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:07,010
than anything else

815
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:11,360
suffice to say that in the modern era

816
00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:17,050
before Kenneth Arnold 1947 case which

817
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initiated not to his efforts but the

818
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term flying saucers and inaugurated the

819
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UFO era as we have come to understand it

820
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midlane and a circle of essentially

821
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trans medians most common among mark

822
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Probert were doing not mediumship with

823
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:43,790
purportedly with the dead but mediumship

824
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:46,060
purportedly with non terrestrial

825
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entities or alternately and on other

826
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occasions with human beings who were

827
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what they termed ascended masters

828
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and in his book the coming of the

829
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guardians which preceded all this I

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think it was circa 1945 Kim might

831
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correct me on that but it was certainly

832
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before before the UFO dam burst into the

833
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into the media of the time he was

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talking about Brian discs and their

835
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relationship to these trance

836
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communications I think that is closer

837
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and mediumship is closer to what this

838
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phenomenon is all about breaking on

839
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through to the other side to borrow Jim

840
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Morrison's term maybe Jim Morrison had

841
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it right there Allen I know there's a

842
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lot of questions we have to ask and we

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will we have Chris O'Brien and Greg

844
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Bishop as our co-hosts we're talking

845
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with Allen Greenfield Tim Beckley

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Claudia Cunningham I'm gene Steinberg

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940
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floor and i think some of you are gonna

941
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:27,590
have questions of him in a moment

942
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:29,960
tim Beckley claudia cunningham our

943
00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:32,150
co-host Greg Bishop and Chris O'Brien

944
00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:35,750
I'm gene Steinberg so okay you've raised

945
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:38,180
a whole bunch of things here so many

946
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:40,670
cans of worms Alan so we're talking

947
00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:43,640
about now the possibilities that so many

948
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:46,340
planets out there will Harbor life but

949
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,470
not as we know it sometimes they are the

950
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:51,440
basic forms of life using chemistry like

951
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:53,570
we have here maybe they're made up of

952
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:55,370
arsenic maybe they're made up of Old

953
00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:57,230
Lace I don't know but I'm just bringing

954
00:42:01,120 --> 00:41:59,390
it up but seriously speaking here with

955
00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:01,130
all the possibilities like that one

956
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:03,860
you're dating yourself there okay it's

957
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,200
an old movie very funny about ladies

958
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:08,000
nice old ladies that poisoned their

959
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:20,510
relatives that's good okay so the point

960
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:23,570
being here that are you saying or

961
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:26,570
suggesting Helen that maybe either there

962
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,000
is no et or each he doesn't really care

963
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:32,240
about who and what we are I'm only

964
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:34,970
suggesting that we that the evidence for

965
00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:38,000
UFOs is confined to the earth and the

966
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:41,620
near vicinity of Earth and while I think

967
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:45,230
statistically it is likely that life as

968
00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:47,630
we know it and according to the most

969
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,700
recent scientific evidence apparently

970
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:52,160
quite a bit of life as we don't know it

971
00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:53,720
you know literally I don't think it was

972
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:55,700
arsenic but it was some other poison or

973
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:59,450
maybe it was arsenic I don't know which

974
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:00,260
environment

975
00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:03,160
yeah well the yeah the point being that

976
00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:05,870
life doesn't necessarily have to be as

977
00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:08,600
we know it but the scattering in the

978
00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:10,940
universe is something not to be sneezed

979
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:13,540
that scientists tend to be a

980
00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:16,010
conventional scientists tend to be over

981
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:19,100
awed by the distance between stars is

982
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:22,130
immense and the likelihood that a nearby

983
00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:26,660
star system has advanced life that would

984
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be visiting the earth at least on any

985
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:31,850
kind of regular basis

986
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:35,230
as UFOs are a daily phenomenon is

987
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:38,750
extremely remote the likelihood however

988
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:41,900
if you look into the lore of what

989
00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:43,730
Jacques Palais used to refer to as in

990
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:46,100
the gun you know the the other where the

991
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:48,710
fairy world the world where you go into

992
00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:51,830
the mountain for us for a night and

993
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:53,420
spend the night with the goddess Venus

994
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:54,770
and come out and it's a hundred years

995
00:43:59,920 --> 00:43:57,170
later and everybody was dead that kind

996
00:44:02,680 --> 00:43:59,930
of distortion of space-time and

997
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:02,690
materiality it's consistent with a lot

998
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:05,000
of cutting-edge physics and it's a lot

999
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:07,700
in a certain sense closer at hand now

1000
00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:09,890
the two may interact but what I'm saying

1001
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:12,440
is the phenomena that we're dealing with

1002
00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:15,410
we have yet to trace anything going from

1003
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:19,820
star B to star a Saul and winding up

1004
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:23,150
here on earth even Carl Sagan said it

1005
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:25,160
may have happened in ancient times and

1006
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:26,870
maybe there's a little bit of truth in

1007
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:31,130
our old and late friend Jana fourtner's

1008
00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:34,940
a very sophisticated view of ancient

1009
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,120
visitations and Erich von Daniken's a

1010
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:40,640
lot less sophisticated but a lot more

1011
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:44,680
loudly trumpeted views of perhaps the

1012
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:47,540
occasional visitor long ago leaving

1013
00:44:52,270 --> 00:44:50,300
their marks on civilization that may

1014
00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:52,280
have happened I don't know it's

1015
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:54,620
certainly possible but does it have a

1016
00:45:00,250 --> 00:44:57,230
lot to do with the UFO phenomena only if

1017
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,260
in being interdimensional there's also

1018
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:03,440
some way to go through space-time as

1019
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,770
well as through dimensionality otherwise

1020
00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:09,440
the distances are just too vast for the

1021
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:11,300
type of phenomena we have unless we

1022
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,640
suppose they set up a base on the far

1023
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:16,400
side of the Moon and and have hidden it

1024
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:18,950
from those few astronauts who have

1025
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:21,050
ventured around sometimes in a very

1026
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,350
Cavalier sort of way not in physics as

1027
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:26,000
we know it right now and there's ways to

1028
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:29,510
cheat bend or change the rules as we've

1029
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,730
that we have right now physics as we

1030
00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:34,640
know it right now is so vastly different

1031
00:45:40,859 --> 00:45:37,070
from physics as we knew it ten years ago

1032
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:40,869
if you if you follow it closely

1033
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:43,089
as recently does make it more possible

1034
00:45:48,269 --> 00:45:46,450
nah I'm not pushing for the ETH theory

1035
00:45:51,059 --> 00:45:48,279
I'm probably the last person to do that

1036
00:45:53,609 --> 00:45:51,069
but there are two sides to it one side

1037
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:53,619
that says that as you say some of the

1038
00:45:59,519 --> 00:45:56,170
physics now is saying that it could be

1039
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,529
allowed that somebody could travel from

1040
00:46:03,779 --> 00:46:01,359
one place to another without having to

1041
00:46:07,289 --> 00:46:03,789
worry about the distance yeah you've got

1042
00:46:09,539 --> 00:46:07,299
a lot of different possibilities there

1043
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:09,549
considering the universes but it could

1044
00:46:15,569 --> 00:46:12,430
happen but again why would that I'm more

1045
00:46:17,819 --> 00:46:15,579
interested sociologically and why that

1046
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:17,829
was the first thing people were leaping

1047
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:20,349
at when this burst on to the public

1048
00:46:26,279 --> 00:46:23,650
consciousness in 1947 and has continued

1049
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:26,289
to be the predominant theory because we

1050
00:46:31,859 --> 00:46:28,690
have while it's possible we have no

1051
00:46:34,829 --> 00:46:31,869
evidence of that but we have thousands

1052
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:34,839
of years of evidence of communication

1053
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:38,319
between here and other where the the

1054
00:46:41,819 --> 00:46:40,420
wholes day of the dead floor where the

1055
00:46:44,339 --> 00:46:41,829
world of the dead and the world of the

1056
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:44,349
living come closely together on what we

1057
00:46:51,269 --> 00:46:49,119
now refer to as Halloween is many

1058
00:46:55,769 --> 00:46:51,279
centuries old probably dating to

1059
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,779
pre-christian times as a as a right and

1060
00:47:01,259 --> 00:46:58,960
a belief system and yet that was not the

1061
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:01,269
first place that we turn to I guess

1062
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,450
other planets are palatable to a tech

1063
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:06,640
oriented society but that doesn't make

1064
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:09,130
it more true and to me when I think

1065
00:47:13,019 --> 00:47:10,869
about I don't like to go back to the old

1066
00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:13,029
cases and I have said this before but I

1067
00:47:17,789 --> 00:47:15,640
will repeat one thing when I as an

1068
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:17,799
occultist look at Alberta Kate bender

1069
00:47:22,049 --> 00:47:19,900
and his room and the way I was set up

1070
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:22,059
whether he knew it or not he was doing a

1071
00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:24,730
magical invocation and yeah I got what

1072
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:25,480
he asked for

1073
00:47:31,799 --> 00:47:28,569
keh keh keh you know then work for me

1074
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:31,809
because that's not my magic word but as

1075
00:47:35,849 --> 00:47:33,849
I showed and a secret side for the you

1076
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:35,859
for nods and secret rituals of the men

1077
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:38,200
in black both of them basically on the

1078
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:43,329
minion block phenomena the meaning of

1079
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,970
these strange terms is identical with

1080
00:47:51,059 --> 00:47:48,119
the type of meaning that you get from

1081
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:51,069
so-called magical words of power what

1082
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:52,630
they mean I don't know but they seem to

1083
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:54,010
be keys to

1084
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:55,960
other vibrations other elements and

1085
00:48:01,050 --> 00:47:58,270
things enter here but they seem to have

1086
00:48:03,150 --> 00:48:01,060
trouble staying here and we I'm sure Tim

1087
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,160
to tell you some stories about you know

1088
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:05,440
invisible men and black and men in black

1089
00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:07,060
we seem to want to leave very quickly

1090
00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:09,100
because they're about to melt my

1091
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,360
favorite is one that the late John keel

1092
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:15,760
exposed at the Cape May a tiny case

1093
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:18,220
where the towards the end the guy was

1094
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:21,580
listed guy the entity was listless and

1095
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:23,410
seemed to be trying to leave before he

1096
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:25,240
dissolved I think they live on our

1097
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:28,090
energy and and project themselves but

1098
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:30,490
basically you've got grey aliens in

1099
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,620
black drag because that's the way we

1100
00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:34,480
expect to see them they're like Tulpas

1101
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:36,840
thought forms that only have a certain

1102
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:43,930
limited amount of lifespan and it's very

1103
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:44,410
interesting

1104
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:48,130
why is toka not considered a priority

1105
00:48:53,070 --> 00:48:51,610
anyway as likely to be identical with

1106
00:48:55,530 --> 00:48:53,080
what we're talking about when we talk

1107
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,540
about men in black in the UFO context I

1108
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,760
think it should be I think that's a

1109
00:49:03,870 --> 00:48:59,680
great thing we should examine and either

1110
00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:03,880
dismiss or validate but but it's rarely

1111
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:06,460
talked about rarely looked at except a

1112
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:10,510
few people like being me and as I've

1113
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:12,370
said before most of the people who

1114
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:16,060
devoted themselves to to men in black

1115
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,040
cases so-called as a specialty died off

1116
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:23,200
young heal is the only one I can think

1117
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:26,470
of who live to a relatively ripe

1118
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:29,740
relatively old age it's not my specialty

1119
00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:31,870
I want to say that it's just something

1120
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:33,790
that people call on before in the

1121
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:36,040
absence of the specialist but they they

1122
00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:38,230
all died in their 40s and 50s or younger

1123
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:41,260
a lot of younger in some cases and some

1124
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,530
say that's you know just coincidence but

1125
00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:46,480
I know that the pool of people that are

1126
00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:49,000
that are actively involved in any aspect

1127
00:49:55,890 --> 00:49:53,800
of ufology is very small and in absolute

1128
00:49:57,660 --> 00:49:55,900
and relative terms we're talking about

1129
00:50:00,300 --> 00:49:57,670
a few hundred people that are really

1130
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,310
active this may be conceivably a

1131
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:03,280
thousand or so and the statistical

1132
00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:06,430
likelihood of that many people dying in

1133
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:07,820
their 40s and 50

1134
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:10,910
in a society where the and all these

1135
00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:12,980
were American cases that I'm thinking of

1136
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:19,190
where the average age and of mortality

1137
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:24,170
is in its early 72 to 74 for men I

1138
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:26,990
believe it is currently in 74 to 76 for

1139
00:50:34,090 --> 00:50:30,590
women it just it doesn't gel it's it's

1140
00:50:35,830 --> 00:50:34,100
bad statistics and a little demographic

1141
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:35,840
work and little statistical work will

1142
00:50:40,450 --> 00:50:38,150
show you it it's unlikely to be

1143
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,460
coincidence I think they were murdered

1144
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:43,520
in a conventional way or by attrition or

1145
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:45,470
because they are working with things

1146
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:47,750
they should not or what do you think I

1147
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:52,310
think when at the culmination of a

1148
00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:55,640
series of deaths when Ron bonds ate out

1149
00:51:01,480 --> 00:50:57,950
of the restaurant and was said to have

1150
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:01,490
died within 12 hours of quote food

1151
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:03,260
poisoning which no one else in the

1152
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:04,730
restaurant including his wife who was

1153
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:09,200
eating the same thing died alumina press

1154
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,650
which was the only press at that time or

1155
00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:14,480
one of them one of the few that was

1156
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:16,820
publishing Andry publishing books

1157
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:19,970
devoted both to the UFO phenomena and to

1158
00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:23,020
conspiracy theory stuff I mean it was

1159
00:51:27,370 --> 00:51:25,100
coincidental I think he was killed

1160
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:27,380
I'll tell you what we have to get into

1161
00:51:31,330 --> 00:51:28,910
more of that in a moment we have Allen

1162
00:51:33,490 --> 00:51:31,340
Greenfield our co-host our Chris O'Brien

1163
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:33,500
and Greg Bishop we also have Tim Beckley

1164
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:35,570
Claudia Cunningham please check our

1165
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:38,390
forums forum doctoral cast com that's

1166
00:51:46,610 --> 00:51:41,390
forum dot para cast comm I'm Jean

1167
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:49,380
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1168
00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:52,070
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1169
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1170
00:51:58,060 --> 00:51:56,300
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1180
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1181
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:20,180
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1182
00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:21,650
people grow cotton wheat fabric

1183
00:52:25,329 --> 00:52:23,720
engraving embeds strips and fibers to

1184
00:52:27,099 --> 00:52:25,339
protect from counterfeit than carding to

1185
00:52:27,550 --> 00:52:27,109
a private bank having a led back at

1186
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,560
interest

1187
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:29,359
forcing taxes to service debt this

1188
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:31,190
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1189
00:52:34,270 --> 00:52:32,660
stating a central bank issuing the

1190
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:34,280
public currency is a greater menace to

1191
00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:35,420
the liberties of the people than a

1192
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:37,190
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

1193
00:52:40,329 --> 00:52:38,240
free silver dollar in a book that

1194
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:40,339
explains our monetary system call for

1195
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:43,609
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

1196
00:52:53,769 --> 00:52:46,700
understand the system call 866 to 237

1197
00:52:59,420 --> 00:52:56,630
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

1198
00:53:06,859 --> 00:52:59,430
standard of paranormal radio and now

1199
00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:06,869
here's Jean Steinberg so the question

1200
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:09,150
arises is Chris O'Brien really one of

1201
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,670
them these are gonna lose yes and Greg

1202
00:53:16,219 --> 00:53:14,099
kitchen is away from these alien things

1203
00:53:16,969 --> 00:53:16,229
I I think he's I think he's a bad

1204
00:53:18,769 --> 00:53:16,979
influence

1205
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:18,779
we have alan greenfield we have tim

1206
00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:20,609
Beckley we have claudia cunningham the

1207
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:23,430
question on the table is Chris O'Brien a

1208
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:27,420
bad influence Chris god I hope so

1209
00:53:35,479 --> 00:53:31,319
I mean I like implied we're all about

1210
00:53:38,269 --> 00:53:35,489
influence and happy to hear Allen saying

1211
00:53:41,890 --> 00:53:38,279
all the non ETH stuff I think that you

1212
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:41,900
can't push that enough among the UFO

1213
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:44,190
researchers and I think the younger

1214
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:46,200
generation of UFO researchers is

1215
00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:47,819
starting to drop that consider other

1216
00:53:52,489 --> 00:53:49,469
other theories as well you know I

1217
00:53:55,779 --> 00:53:52,499
unwatched which is also the old timers

1218
00:54:00,499 --> 00:53:55,789
though - now I'm fill-in brog know and

1219
00:54:02,359 --> 00:54:00,509
let's see there's a yes and hi and hi

1220
00:54:04,459 --> 00:54:02,369
Nick in fact that you know told me some

1221
00:54:07,759 --> 00:54:04,469
pretty incredible stories about men and

1222
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:07,769
black himself and towards the the end of

1223
00:54:16,269 --> 00:54:11,579
his career it was moving decisively away

1224
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:16,279
from the II ETH theory and of course

1225
00:54:23,209 --> 00:54:20,640
even his closest associate - Ted

1226
00:54:25,249 --> 00:54:23,219
Phillips I believe on your program or

1227
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,259
some other I feel that I heard if there

1228
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,180
are no other programs I was just saying

1229
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:28,559
that she okay

1230
00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:32,579
but he also said that he's the leading

1231
00:54:37,099 --> 00:54:34,739
of a way far away from believing that

1232
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:37,109
these UFOs at Morley woods and other

1233
00:54:42,439 --> 00:54:40,380
places are of extraterrestrial origin me

1234
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:42,449
I kind of make - still a slim

1235
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:44,910
possibility that some of them may be

1236
00:54:49,819 --> 00:54:47,940
from somewhere else but I think the

1237
00:54:52,969 --> 00:54:49,829
majority of it is a paranormal nature

1238
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:52,979
and Allen correctly points out that the

1239
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:55,049
phenomena that takes place in the seance

1240
00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:57,569
room and the phenomena that takes the

1241
00:55:02,479 --> 00:55:00,390
place around the UFOs are remarkably the

1242
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:02,489
same in fact I recently did a book on

1243
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:04,890
Conan Doyle who of course was the

1244
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:05,740
creator of Cheryl

1245
00:55:11,060 --> 00:55:08,410
comes and Houdini who was a debunker

1246
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:11,070
very much like the amazing Randi of

1247
00:55:16,859 --> 00:55:14,710
today and Uri Geller I mean the history

1248
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:16,869
just kind of goes around you know if

1249
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:18,670
you'll read the some of the the things

1250
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:20,770
that happened in the seance room 150

1251
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:22,810
years ago they're exactly what takes

1252
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:25,720
place on the UFO playing field we have

1253
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:28,770
limitations we have accounts of beings

1254
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:31,450
materializing in front of witnesses and

1255
00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:34,900
there's the old belief just like there

1256
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:37,300
are a lot of beliefs in UFO ufology

1257
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:39,369
which turned out not to be true that all

1258
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:42,220
seances were conducted in darkness

1259
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:44,680
absolutely not true some of them were

1260
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:47,770
were the hell with lamps and candles and

1261
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,890
and windows open and in the daytime so

1262
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:53,200
that's again just something that the the

1263
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,690
skeptics would like you to believe

1264
00:55:59,490 --> 00:55:57,400
skeptics who have probably never

1265
00:56:01,500 --> 00:55:59,500
bothered to investigate a case in their

1266
00:56:03,090 --> 00:56:01,510
life Tim I want to bring up something

1267
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:03,100
here we have another guest here Claudia

1268
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:05,710
Cunningham that you introduced to me and

1269
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:07,420
I'm going to let you take the microphone

1270
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:09,670
over for a few minutes and explain just

1271
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:13,060
what her story is what her connection to

1272
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:15,400
all this is Tim this would be this would

1273
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:18,250
be like a sub co-host that's right we

1274
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:20,710
have co-hosts we have sub co-hosts we

1275
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:23,230
have subterranean co-hosts and you're

1276
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,570
the subterranean co-hosts all right well

1277
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:27,520
that that's very fitting well I first

1278
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:30,490
heard from Claudia when she sent me an

1279
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:33,940
email in her email which was a very

1280
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:36,730
articulately written I I mean it was a

1281
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:38,230
sometimes you get a lot of things that

1282
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:40,270
are scribbled and penciled or you got to

1283
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:42,070
kind of read between the lines but what

1284
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,840
she wrote to me was very articulate so I

1285
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,480
got I got in touch with her and she told

1286
00:56:49,590 --> 00:56:48,400
me some very outstanding his stories

1287
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:49,600
regarding the men in black and other

1288
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:52,390
care for paranormal phenomena in fact

1289
00:56:59,880 --> 00:56:55,090
the the incident that I first heard from

1290
00:57:03,450 --> 00:56:59,890
her concerned nibs that were a scene in

1291
00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:03,460
the graveyard in the cemetery were the

1292
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:06,550
Honorable Charles a fort is buried in

1293
00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:09,490
upstate New York so Claudia why don't

1294
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,380
you just show us in a little bit on the

1295
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:13,359
on the background of that episode

1296
00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:15,810
because it's a silly a very outstanding

1297
00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:18,280
incident involving involving the men in

1298
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:19,720
black okay

1299
00:57:26,790 --> 00:57:22,930
do that let me first of all set the

1300
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:26,800
scene for what the let me first say it's

1301
00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:29,740
150 miles north of Manhattan's probably

1302
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,380
four miles out of the city of Albany

1303
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:34,240
which is of course it's a capital city

1304
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:36,730
of the state I'm a lifetime resident

1305
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:39,670
here and I am acquainted with a lady

1306
00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:41,770
we've known each other since we were

1307
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,470
five I am I won't tell you my age but

1308
00:57:50,609 --> 00:57:47,200
Linda's almost 60 years old now she's a

1309
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:50,619
registered nurse very somebody that you

1310
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:53,410
wouldn't say as a jokester she's more of

1311
00:57:59,940 --> 00:57:55,750
a very serious person so when she told

1312
00:58:02,700 --> 00:57:59,950
me this story in May of oh nine I really

1313
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,710
became quite enthralled with it and I

1314
00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:04,960
did a lot of study on the cemetery after

1315
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:07,230
that and found out quite a bit but

1316
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:10,619
anyway the cemetery itself is situated

1317
00:58:17,339 --> 00:58:13,930
like I say a few miles outside of the

1318
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:17,349
city of Albany it was designated I just

1319
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:21,280
made a couple notes here in 1841 in

1320
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:23,530
response to an ever growing problem of

1321
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:25,780
flooding at cemeteries within the city

1322
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:30,970
itself so today it was a very well-known

1323
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:34,450
area even as far as maybe the early

1324
00:58:44,839 --> 00:58:40,510
1700s the area itself is well known for

1325
00:58:49,050 --> 00:58:44,849
a lot of illustrious Dutch settlers

1326
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:49,060
including later on and as we move

1327
00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:51,250
forward in history Charles our third

1328
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:53,140
President of the United States is buried

1329
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:56,170
there there is a sculptor Daniel Manning

1330
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:57,640
who served under President Grover

1331
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:01,359
Cleveland there are senators and a few

1332
00:59:06,569 --> 00:59:03,490
congressmen in the cemetery it's huge

1333
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:06,579
it's on a two-mile Hill when you go in

1334
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:09,160
off of Broadway which is where Linda had

1335
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:09,910
the sighting

1336
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:12,790
it's very imposing you go over a

1337
00:59:17,819 --> 00:59:14,680
railroad track and there's these big

1338
00:59:21,059 --> 00:59:17,829
iron gates that open up on the left is

1339
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:21,069
an office that looks something like out

1340
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:22,930
of where the monster is might rip it's

1341
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:26,050
an old gothic building across the street

1342
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:29,140
from that is the crematorium the road

1343
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:32,950
itself is a very wide macadam road so

1344
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:33,730
Linda called

1345
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:36,850
and you know we're kind of crazy we I've

1346
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:39,070
always believed in a lot of the

1347
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:41,290
paranormal I've kind of been studying it

1348
00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:44,140
since 1968 when I was just a teenager

1349
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:48,520
and Linda also she's big on the Ouija

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00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:51,430
boards and going to card readers and all

1351
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:54,010
this but this was huge so when my phone

1352
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:55,810
rang she said you're the only person I

1353
01:00:01,500 --> 00:59:59,290
can tell my story to because everybody

1354
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:01,510
else would laugh at me oh yeah I'd love

1355
01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:03,970
to hear it well she lives across the

1356
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:05,590
street from the cemetery

1357
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:09,930
and it was a beautiful made afternoon

1358
01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:14,140
around 2 o'clock she said and there were

1359
01:00:17,250 --> 01:00:16,150
a lot of milkweeds in the area I don't

1360
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:17,260
know if you know what they are but they

1361
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:19,210
kind of stick to your card they're kind

1362
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:20,890
of annoying they kind of fly through the

1363
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:23,530
air at that time of year and her car was

1364
01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:26,140
covered with this stuff and this will

1365
01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:28,900
kind of lead into what happened to her

1366
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:31,540
later this is why I mention it she went

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01:00:35,820 --> 01:00:32,890
in the cemetery and she said it was

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01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:35,830
funny there was no one around and so she

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01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:37,570
said I took the first left of this

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01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:41,740
little tiny hill and it's a gravel road

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01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:44,260
itself there was someone coming in the

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01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:46,570
front or the back or from wherever you

1373
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:49,870
would hear the tires it was deadly quiet

1374
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:53,080
nobody was there so she pulled up and

1375
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:55,510
she said well I'm gonna pull over here

1376
01:00:58,740 --> 01:00:57,610
and since this is a historical cemetery

1377
01:01:01,560 --> 01:00:58,750
she was going to take a little

1378
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:01,570
historical tour of her own that day so

1379
01:01:06,990 --> 01:01:04,810
she pulled over and turned the key off

1380
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:07,000
and looking in her of your rear-view

1381
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:08,980
mirror nothing in back of her nothing to

1382
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:12,570
the front of her turn the car off and

1383
01:01:17,010 --> 01:01:14,950
instantaneously you have to picture this

1384
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:17,020
she she put her head down to take the

1385
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:20,320
key out looks up in the mirror and there

1386
01:01:26,490 --> 01:01:23,650
was this mammoth black military looking

1387
01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:26,500
SUV that was so close to the back of her

1388
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:27,790
car she said it could have been in the

1389
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backseat it was wide it was shiny it was

1390
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,980
like a piece of a black patent-leather

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that's what she that's what she told me

1392
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:38,440
the windows were jet-black tires were

1393
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:41,410
black this thing made no noise no milk

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01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:43,570
lead on this thing it just came out of

1395
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:44,460
nowhere

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01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:47,140
so she

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I can imagine when I would do I would

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have I would have been dead right there

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01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:52,810
I had a heart attack but she's very I

1400
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:55,570
don't know I guess excited by something

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01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,610
like that so she was wow what is this

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but then she thought well maybe they're

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going to rob me or worse and at first

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:04,990
she didn't think paranormal there were a

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01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:07,690
few robberies in that cemetery over the

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01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:09,490
past few years so I guess that's kind of

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01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:12,730
what she initially thought so she

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decided I'm gonna put the key in and I'm

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just going to kind of creep forward and

1410
01:02:20,730 --> 01:02:18,160
I'm gonna watch this thing and see if it

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follows me which she did ok well let's

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01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:22,480
give you the cliffhanger because we have

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to carry this over to the next segment

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so ok so she's decided she's going to

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move slowly creep along with her vehicle

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we have a co-host Chris O'Brien and Greg

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Bishop our guests are Tim Beck Lee T

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Bishop the topic on the table the men in

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black or the people in black or the

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Greenfield Claudia Cunningham telling us

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his story your friend starts to creep

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along slowly in her car I gather that's

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right and instead of this thing

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following her it backed up and she's

1549
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watching it and it went down one of

1550
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these little side hills in the cemetery

1551
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and she got me it she says I'm gonna

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follow this thing and find out what they

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wanted crazy but this is how she is so

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01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:05,209
she went after the car she seized the

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top of the car disappeared down the hill

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she says exactly where it went she

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follows it

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01:08:15,370 --> 01:08:12,859
oh my guess what there's no road there

1559
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only a chain-link fence this thing

1560
01:08:21,490 --> 01:08:18,290
couldn't have gone anywhere it vanished

1561
01:08:23,769 --> 01:08:21,500
right in front of her eyes so now this

1562
01:08:26,649 --> 01:08:23,779
sounds pretty wild and it did to me even

1563
01:08:28,539 --> 01:08:26,659
for Linda so I kind of got a little you

1564
01:08:31,569 --> 01:08:28,549
know well you know is this a joke or

1565
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what but she was so emphatic and so

1566
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excited about it I she convinced me so

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she said after that she says I just kind

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of went down the road the way I came in

1569
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and she said I just wanted to get out of

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there and she said imagine my surprise

1571
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:46,369
when this thing was parked right in the

1572
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middle of the road right next to the

1573
01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:51,020
office nobody else around and she said I

1574
01:08:55,569 --> 01:08:52,520
had this feeling they were waiting for

1575
01:08:57,579 --> 01:08:55,579
me outside of this car was a man about

1576
01:08:59,800 --> 01:08:57,589
40 years old she said he was completely

1577
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dressed in black even the black

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wraparound sunglasses

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black shoes black shirt black complexion

1580
01:09:09,819 --> 01:09:07,190
he wasn't he wasn't black he was an

1581
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African he was kind of a dusky

1582
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,380
complexion and she said I pulled up

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01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:15,199
alongside of him and he just kind of

1584
01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:18,170
nodded like a knowing look so she says I

1585
01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:20,150
just gassed it I got right out of there

1586
01:09:23,979 --> 01:09:22,460
so of course I immediately went to the

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computer and I brought up all the

1588
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information I could find about the

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cemetery and I was astonished to find

1590
01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:29,449
that it's haunted by and I quote

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sinister disappearing black vehicles men

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in black a black dog and a couple who

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hold hands and their pajamas and float

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over the tombstones at dusk okay

1595
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so many pee

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have recorded this my niece lives in an

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apartment building in Albany and of

1598
01:09:51,939 --> 01:09:49,969
course she's into this also and I told

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her about it and she said well one of

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the groundskeepers is a neighbor of mine

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let me find out if he's for anything and

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01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,550
she did ask him and he said he has not

1603
01:10:02,379 --> 01:10:00,800
seen anything personally but he says

1604
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I've heard all the stories there there's

1605
01:10:08,979 --> 01:10:04,849
definitely something going on in there

1606
01:10:12,129 --> 01:10:08,989
so just it is a little I'll tie up the

1607
01:10:16,029 --> 01:10:12,139
story here for about three months I was

1608
01:10:19,449 --> 01:10:16,039
completely engrossed in this story and I

1609
01:10:21,879 --> 01:10:19,459
had read Kim Brooke years because his

1610
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:21,889
first book that the men in black which I

1611
01:10:25,739 --> 01:10:24,050
gave to wind up she never heard of him

1612
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:25,749
before

1613
01:10:31,089 --> 01:10:30,050
UFOs silencers which is the e-book the

1614
01:10:33,939 --> 01:10:31,099
book on the subject

1615
01:10:37,629 --> 01:10:33,949
I gave me many nights of sleep with a

1616
01:10:38,949 --> 01:10:37,639
nurse so so I was always kind of you

1617
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:38,959
know interested you know I've always

1618
01:10:43,810 --> 01:10:41,409
been kind of interested in this stuff so

1619
01:10:46,449 --> 01:10:43,820
the question we obviously asked about

1620
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:46,459
your friend and then of course well okay

1621
01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:48,409
if she's interested in the subject you

1622
01:10:52,929 --> 01:10:50,689
know didn't that possibly color what she

1623
01:10:54,850 --> 01:10:52,939
experienced in kids but she hadn't heard

1624
01:10:58,419 --> 01:10:54,860
of them until I had told her about this

1625
01:11:00,879 --> 01:10:58,429
her whole experience with the paranormal

1626
01:11:03,219 --> 01:11:00,889
was maybe at one point the Ouija board a

1627
01:11:06,459 --> 01:11:03,229
card reader things like that but nothing

1628
01:11:09,489 --> 01:11:06,469
on this level of this magnitude but

1629
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:09,499
anyway I got very much into this for a

1630
01:11:15,009 --> 01:11:11,900
live three or four months afterwards so

1631
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:15,019
this is when my own life you know like I

1632
01:11:20,620 --> 01:11:16,610
don't have enough problems but this is

1633
01:11:23,529 --> 01:11:20,630
what happened one afternoon I recently

1634
01:11:25,029 --> 01:11:23,539
moved in with my mother she's 95 so I

1635
01:11:27,850 --> 01:11:25,039
try to get her out every day and I said

1636
01:11:29,949 --> 01:11:27,860
let's go over to the Delaware shopping

1637
01:11:32,949 --> 01:11:29,959
center so I got her in the car we went

1638
01:11:34,659 --> 01:11:32,959
over and I wasn't thinking about the

1639
01:11:37,569 --> 01:11:34,669
subject or anything but I pulled in

1640
01:11:39,310 --> 01:11:37,579
front of one of the dollar stores and I

1641
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:39,320
had my mother in the car and the dog and

1642
01:11:44,529 --> 01:11:41,630
I went in and got my my purchase and I

1643
01:11:47,589 --> 01:11:44,539
came out and I got back in the car and

1644
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:47,599
there was this big black will su me to

1645
01:11:52,509 --> 01:11:49,820
the right of where I was parked and I

1646
01:11:54,730 --> 01:11:52,519
jumped to my mother and I said gee that

1647
01:11:57,730 --> 01:11:54,740
thing looks like something

1648
01:12:02,840 --> 01:11:57,740
meline and we both kind of laughed and

1649
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:02,850
as God is my witness this little man all

1650
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:05,310
dressed in black came from around the

1651
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:07,770
back of this thing and walked right next

1652
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:10,020
to the car and kind of looked in he had

1653
01:12:13,730 --> 01:12:12,210
a hat like John Lennon I don't know if

1654
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:13,740
remember in the sixties he started a

1655
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:16,410
fashion trend with a black cap he had

1656
01:12:21,710 --> 01:12:18,450
the black everything was black - black

1657
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:21,720
shoes black socks the pants a shirt that

1658
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:24,060
looked like it just got out just blood

1659
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:27,330
that day and he walked to the front of

1660
01:12:32,150 --> 01:12:30,030
my car and he had sunglasses on and he

1661
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,160
just kind of put sunglasses down about

1662
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:34,560
an inch and a half and not at his head

1663
01:12:38,690 --> 01:12:36,930
like a little knowing look and I thought

1664
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:38,700
who the knowing look that's what Linda

1665
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:42,510
said and I was so Beach --less I don't

1666
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:43,770
know why I didn't jump out of the car

1667
01:12:47,690 --> 01:12:46,410
and say do I know you or a lot but I

1668
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:47,700
just kind of got out of there

1669
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:49,560
and when I got home I thought you know

1670
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:51,060
it could have been a chauffeur it could

1671
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:53,310
have been just a man dressed in black

1672
01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:55,800
doing shopping or it could have been one

1673
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,750
of these guys who kind of said yeah you

1674
01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:59,040
know you're interested in this you want

1675
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:01,500
to see one Here I am I don't know I'm

1676
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:04,320
not wise enough to know but to me it was

1677
01:13:09,710 --> 01:13:07,500
it was like a confirmation so I have my

1678
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:09,720
own opinion about this I don't know my

1679
01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:11,820
opinion is you know ten cents you know

1680
01:13:14,540 --> 01:13:13,830
might buy you a cup of coffee what's the

1681
01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:14,550
old saying

1682
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my opinion and a quarter will buy you a

1683
01:13:21,170 --> 01:13:18,780
cup of coffee I'm not an expert I have

1684
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:21,180
an interest in this stuff but I think

1685
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:23,910
they're from the dark side of the

1686
01:13:30,020 --> 01:13:26,250
spectrum I think they're here to confuse

1687
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:30,030
us to confound us think it is maybe away

1688
01:13:35,420 --> 01:13:33,510
from our better selves and drag us into

1689
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:35,430
the occult I think it can be very

1690
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:37,890
dangerous to have too much of an

1691
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:41,130
interest in this my opinion I think it

1692
01:13:45,230 --> 01:13:43,020
was it was neat that it had happened I

1693
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:45,240
had the little man I don't know if that

1694
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:47,640
was just like I say an ordinary shopper

1695
01:13:51,650 --> 01:13:49,140
or just somebody that was kind of

1696
01:13:54,370 --> 01:13:51,660
pulling my chain and saying yeah here we

1697
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,810
don't you think though that now the

1698
01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:58,800
paranormal phenomena that went on in

1699
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:01,380
that cemetery I mean it means that this

1700
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,780
would almost be like a you know a vortex

1701
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:05,520
or a portal or an opening to another

1702
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:06,770
dimension not

1703
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:09,890
do you have a charles fort buried there

1704
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:12,890
perhaps leading the the parade but you

1705
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:16,310
had the reports of i think they're

1706
01:14:21,820 --> 01:14:19,670
strange big ugly fierce dogs and a

1707
01:14:23,470 --> 01:14:21,830
couple that flies over the the

1708
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:23,480
tombstones at night in their pajamas

1709
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:25,550
right there's something going on there

1710
01:14:29,740 --> 01:14:27,050
and you know it's funny because i

1711
01:14:31,690 --> 01:14:29,750
recently spoke to my niece she she gave

1712
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:31,700
me the name of a book and i haven't went

1713
01:14:35,530 --> 01:14:33,380
down i don't know where it is now but it

1714
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,540
was written by a local albany lady about

1715
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:37,760
the paranormal happenings in the area

1716
01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:40,610
and they mentioned the cemetery and they

1717
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:43,790
mentioned the black cars that i say

1718
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:46,730
plural that have been seen going around

1719
01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:49,220
and like a circle just very slowly with

1720
01:14:54,010 --> 01:14:51,980
people in dressed in black walking along

1721
01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:54,020
side of the vehicles and when you

1722
01:14:58,090 --> 01:14:56,360
approach them they they vanished

1723
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,100
so i want to get the name of that book

1724
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,520
I'd like to read it and wonder last

1725
01:15:07,660 --> 01:15:04,400
thing i'll say a friend of mine Jim

1726
01:15:09,190 --> 01:15:07,670
crane Ian's I was kind of telling him

1727
01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:09,200
about it and he said you know he says

1728
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:11,480
when I used to have a Camaro when I was

1729
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a kid and he says I used to go up there

1730
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and wax my car like on a Sunday because

1731
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it's you know beautiful place and he

1732
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said one time and this had to be I don't

1733
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know when we're Camaros now early 70s

1734
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late 60s something like that well

1735
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Camaros of course have come back let's

1736
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talk about the Camaro in just okay with

1737
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Claudia Cunningham about some unusual

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experiences I'm going to want our panel

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are along here so Claudia explained

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about the Camaro okay

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according to my friend he would go up

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there and waxes Camaro and he saw the

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two navy blue old-time cars and they

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were like old Lincoln Continentals or

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whatever and he said they kept kind of I

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don't know going I don't know it was in

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the circle or just kind of moving around

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and he says they kind of caught my eye

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because they they were just kind of

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riding around and eventually one came

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over to him and he said it was a very

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heavyset man and he says I thought they

1849
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were with the Mafia maybe a drug deal or

1850
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whatever and the guy said in a very

1851
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gruff voice you better do that someplace

1852
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else and he just said oh he said okay

1853
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sir and he says what that was it and he

1854
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said you know I I know I haven't thought

1855
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of that until you mentioned it he says

1856
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,229
you know maybe that was a man in black

1857
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:11,760
but he said it was a very strange

1858
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:14,010
feeling he got from them he says I

1859
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thought it was you know just a mafia

1860
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:18,749
type but who knows it's a strange place

1861
01:21:25,459 --> 01:21:22,710
that's for sure the Mafia was the black

1862
01:21:27,739 --> 01:21:25,469
hand so I may be dealing with the same

1863
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thing at a certain level mm-hmm but you

1864
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know when you go up there and I was a

1865
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couple I guess about a week ago I

1866
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finally got together with my friend

1867
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Linda and two girlfriends and we just

1868
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took a ride in there and I wanted to see

1869
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,110
exactly where Linda had that sighting

1870
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:42,239
and it is pretty creepy it's in a very

1871
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:45,960
dark corner of the cemetery and in 1973

1872
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:49,170
or four I was in there with my

1873
01:21:54,379 --> 01:21:51,210
sister-in-law and her little girl and I

1874
01:21:56,649 --> 01:21:54,389
stopped at the crypt of the old mayor of

1875
01:21:59,419 --> 01:21:56,659
Albany a name was John Boyd Thatcher and

1876
01:22:00,560 --> 01:21:59,429
I wanted to go over and kind of peek in

1877
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:00,570
and you know

1878
01:22:05,149 --> 01:22:03,630
we could see and I said I'm gonna sit in

1879
01:22:07,729 --> 01:22:05,159
the car and I had the baby with me by

1880
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:07,739
the hand and I got within maybe 3 feet

1881
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,260
of this thing and I heard this bang was

1882
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,719
like a metallic bang coming from inside

1883
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:14,880
of that crypt I threw that kid over my

1884
01:22:17,899 --> 01:22:16,440
shoulder I think we went out there 40

1885
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:17,909
miles and they were backwards you know

1886
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:20,610
and that was weird it was a very you

1887
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:22,980
know it was definitely a metallic noise

1888
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:26,159
that I heard so you know figure I don't

1889
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:28,050
know I can't explain that either but I

1890
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:30,150
would not go in there alone you the

1891
01:22:34,549 --> 01:22:31,260
minute you go in there you feel like

1892
01:22:37,819 --> 01:22:34,559
there's somebody watching you and I may

1893
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:37,829
have a good imagination but even absent

1894
01:22:43,009 --> 01:22:41,369
yeah that I think any normal everyday

1895
01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:43,019
person when you go in there you get a

1896
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:48,300
funny feeling that you're not alone make

1897
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:49,199
an observation

1898
01:22:54,140 --> 01:22:52,199
mm-hm the question is in terms of the

1899
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,150
dollar store is that a place that

1900
01:22:59,959 --> 01:22:56,960
particular store that you frequent often

1901
01:23:03,259 --> 01:22:59,969
and I'm not really a dollar store person

1902
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,269
I don't know when they're yeah you know

1903
01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,760
I don't like well I won't say anything

1904
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:07,980
but no I'd probably go over there maybe

1905
01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:10,500
once every three months maybe have you

1906
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:13,409
ever seen this person again before since

1907
01:23:19,759 --> 01:23:16,199
same vehicle now in person okay nope

1908
01:23:22,879 --> 01:23:19,769
nope and now your observation is if we

1909
01:23:24,259 --> 01:23:22,889
were to take this entire sequence of

1910
01:23:26,299 --> 01:23:24,269
things that you described what you

1911
01:23:29,959 --> 01:23:26,309
described very eloquently by the way and

1912
01:23:32,509 --> 01:23:29,969
well thank you very inverse in 12 it

1913
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:32,519
doesn't doesn't show and it's extremely

1914
01:23:40,009 --> 01:23:35,130
interesting if you took it in isolation

1915
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:40,019
it not to beat my my drum to hard on

1916
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:44,489
this but it is a classical men and black

1917
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,960
type experience and yeah if we were to

1918
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:51,840
hear it in isolation there's no UFO case

1919
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:54,960
associated with it no alien beings at

1920
01:24:00,459 --> 01:23:57,170
least not such that you would

1921
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:00,469
automatically assume that they were

1922
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:03,210
visitors from another planet in fact

1923
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:05,820
it's your classical haunting of a

1924
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:08,610
cemetery and the haunting of a cemetery

1925
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:11,250
is usually thought of especially

1926
01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:14,130
repeaters is not on

1927
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:18,630
common and this is a place often sacred

1928
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:20,250
ground that has been blessed by a priest

1929
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:24,150
or rabbi or whatever and is associated

1930
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:26,100
with death and decomposition and

1931
01:24:31,790 --> 01:24:28,440
mourning and a lot of other energies

1932
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:31,800
that do and in many many different

1933
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:34,920
instances to produce similar phenomena

1934
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:37,440
all over the world as far as I know but

1935
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:38,970
certainly all over this country and I've

1936
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:42,000
even heard other stories unless Tim has

1937
01:24:47,150 --> 01:24:44,250
told me your story before that are

1938
01:24:49,820 --> 01:24:47,160
almost identical involving disappearing

1939
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,830
cars by the way the Mafia and they may

1940
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:51,960
or may not be good at what they do but I

1941
01:24:57,980 --> 01:24:54,120
don't think they developed the art of

1942
01:25:00,320 --> 01:24:57,990
invisibility and disappearing at in

1943
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:00,330
front of your eyes so that probably is

1944
01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:03,900
is not the explanation well let me ask

1945
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:06,150
this did you did you have other expected

1946
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,490
you feel that you're after this these

1947
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:10,560
experiences did you did you feel that

1948
01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:12,510
your phone was being tapped or was there

1949
01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:14,550
anything that was happening around the

1950
01:25:19,550 --> 01:25:16,500
the home that would seem that this was

1951
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:19,560
creeping in well let me just say you

1952
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:20,970
know I've always had an interest in this

1953
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:23,430
as I said and I've had things happen to

1954
01:25:28,460 --> 01:25:25,830
me throughout my life my husband and I

1955
01:25:31,730 --> 01:25:28,470
saw our spirit at the Kendrick mansion

1956
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:31,740
in Albany in 1970 of a spirit of a lady

1957
01:25:36,620 --> 01:25:33,540
I mean I've had when I came back from

1958
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:36,630
Ireland I was in a little plane coming

1959
01:25:40,580 --> 01:25:38,490
up to Albany and I I was looking you

1960
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:40,590
know watching the Hudson River from my

1961
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:42,930
side of the plane and here was a silver

1962
01:25:48,230 --> 01:25:45,510
disc that was keeping pace with our

1963
01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:48,240
plane doing flips and all kinds of crazy

1964
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:53,100
things later on man I was engaged to we

1965
01:25:57,890 --> 01:25:56,010
both saw it looked like you know those

1966
01:26:00,980 --> 01:25:57,900
old hard hats that the divers used to

1967
01:26:04,730 --> 01:26:00,990
wear in the 30s before they had you know

1968
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:04,740
I you know underwater divers Jules Verne

1969
01:26:12,020 --> 01:26:06,930
movie sure yeah yes yes the pressure

1970
01:26:14,690 --> 01:26:12,030
suits me diving bell thing yeah well

1971
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:14,700
this thing looked like one of the hard

1972
01:26:20,170 --> 01:26:17,520
hats only it was probably I don't know

1973
01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:20,180
if I it's hard to measure but probably

1974
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:23,400
200 feet over our car I'm driving and

1975
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:25,530
Kevin has this head out to when there

1976
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:27,659
does - pull over pull

1977
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,110
the use of folk and lights came on under

1978
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:32,639
the thing and people you know it was

1979
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,100
rush hour nobody seemed to see it you

1980
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:37,679
know that was probably 1991

1981
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:40,739
I would imagine what else I've had

1982
01:26:47,090 --> 01:26:44,070
things disappear my mother had a stone

1983
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,100
that she brought back from Hawaii she

1984
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,199
had it on her mantel and the thing

1985
01:26:53,660 --> 01:26:52,320
disappeared she blamed me for it she was

1986
01:26:56,660 --> 01:26:53,670
kind of attached to it you know a little

1987
01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:56,670
memento of her trip and a couple days

1988
01:26:59,360 --> 01:26:58,020
later there were three of them they're

1989
01:27:01,820 --> 01:26:59,370
exactly the same

1990
01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:01,830
my father I'm sorry Mike yeah my father

1991
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:03,659
my father and my grandmother passed away

1992
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:07,770
in this house I've had I've had my keys

1993
01:27:10,879 --> 01:27:09,449
you know I mean I guess this has

1994
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:10,889
happened to all of us we're keys will

1995
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:13,050
disappear and then a day later you'll

1996
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:14,610
find him in the like your refrigerator

1997
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:15,360
or something

1998
01:27:23,209 --> 01:27:20,010
so you know I've always had net massive

1999
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:23,219
things happen to me but yeah there have

2000
01:27:27,620 --> 01:27:25,230
been things that tell me there's

2001
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,630
definitely another another into this

2002
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:30,000
life it doesn't end when we take our

2003
01:27:32,899 --> 01:27:32,010
list and I'll tell you it's going to be

2004
01:27:35,450 --> 01:27:32,909
a lot of people

2005
01:27:39,919 --> 01:27:35,460
one of my friends included who will have

2006
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:39,929
a shock when they find out this is not

2007
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:44,310
all you get okay let's let's Kris be

2008
01:27:48,740 --> 01:27:46,290
practical here because we have a lot of

2009
01:27:50,689 --> 01:27:48,750
listeners who don't just accept the

2010
01:27:52,580 --> 01:27:50,699
things but they tend to look at things

2011
01:27:55,459 --> 01:27:52,590
and rather than believe them on faith

2012
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:55,469
they look for other possibilities and is

2013
01:28:00,890 --> 01:27:57,300
there at all any possibility that

2014
01:28:03,050 --> 01:28:00,900
someone something is basically playing a

2015
01:28:06,110 --> 01:28:03,060
trick on you Claudia or your friends oh

2016
01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:06,120
I wouldn't be surprised you know I think

2017
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:09,960
these things can appear this is again my

2018
01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:13,650
own feeling as a UFO as the man in black

2019
01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:17,340
as your dead aunt Harriet I think they

2020
01:28:21,229 --> 01:28:18,870
can appear as a ghost

2021
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:21,239
as you know you name it I think they

2022
01:28:26,180 --> 01:28:23,489
have a really weird sense of humor like

2023
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:26,190
a John keel in one of his books I read

2024
01:28:30,919 --> 01:28:29,250
years ago man who saw a UFO had Colter

2025
01:28:33,379 --> 01:28:30,929
Geist activity in his house and the

2026
01:28:35,209 --> 01:28:33,389
shoes and socks were stolen well the

2027
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:35,219
next day I came a knock on the door and

2028
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:37,530
there was the shoes all polished the

2029
01:28:41,609 --> 01:28:39,810
stalks were all washed and neatly folded

2030
01:28:45,899 --> 01:28:41,619
so you know

2031
01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:45,909
yeah I mean I don't think my friend

2032
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:49,510
Linda was kidding at all I mean they let

2033
01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:52,330
me know that you have this interest no

2034
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,280
she knew that I went to card readers

2035
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:56,800
when I was a kid and my grandmother and

2036
01:29:00,570 --> 01:28:58,480
I used to use the Ouija board I used to

2037
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:00,580
drag her into that all the time but

2038
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:04,810
she's not she didn't know of my interest

2039
01:29:09,359 --> 01:29:07,540
until probably a couple years ago where

2040
01:29:12,030 --> 01:29:09,369
I was kind of you know we had a couple

2041
01:29:14,270 --> 01:29:12,040
of conversation or two about it yeah she

2042
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,280
even lost her mother and became very

2043
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:17,280
curious as to what happened after and

2044
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:20,440
she kind of picked up her interest in

2045
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:24,400
you know oh the Ouija board and things

2046
01:29:27,149 --> 01:29:25,360
like that back then

2047
01:29:29,129 --> 01:29:27,159
I'll tell you what we have Claudia

2048
01:29:30,689 --> 01:29:29,139
Cunningham and we're going to learn more

2049
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:30,699
about her and her experiences but also

2050
01:29:35,370 --> 01:29:33,070
about the men in black and the legends

2051
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:35,380
our co-hosts are Chris O'Brien and Greg

2052
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:37,960
Bishop our guests also include Allen

2053
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Greenfield Tim Beck Lee I'm Jean

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2107
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2110
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2112
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2114
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dangerous bumper stickers

2115
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that's Liberty stickers dot-com but wait

2116
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2120
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2132
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2133
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that's when extenda bite came into my

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life made from garlic cayenne and five

2135
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:07,650
other herbs I started to feel better in

2136
01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:10,170
a very short time my name's dawn

2137
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:12,300
whisking and I'm here because of

2138
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:14,850
extended life extent if I gave me more

2139
01:33:18,979 --> 01:33:16,560
energy than I've had in years

2140
01:33:21,860 --> 01:33:18,989
I am the only one in my house right now

2141
01:33:24,410 --> 01:33:21,870
that's not sick from colds or flus and I

2142
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:24,420
owe that all to extend the fight my name

2143
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:26,730
is Rick and I'm healthy because of

2144
01:33:31,370 --> 01:33:28,860
extent a fight to get your extent of I'd

2145
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:31,380
call one eight seven seven nine two

2146
01:33:36,979 --> 01:33:33,930
eight eight eight two two that's one

2147
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:36,989
eight seven seven nine to 888 twenty-two

2148
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:40,260
or visit the website at heart drop com

2149
01:33:55,020 --> 01:33:51,989
are you tired of searching for great

2150
01:34:10,250 --> 01:33:55,030
talk radio more important search through

2151
01:34:15,870 --> 01:34:13,560
we have Claudia Cunningham who is a

2152
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:15,880
special guest joining us talking about a

2153
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:18,369
range of things that may or may not be

2154
01:34:24,089 --> 01:34:21,369
MIB related the co-hosts are Chris

2155
01:34:26,549 --> 01:34:24,099
O'Brien Greg Bishop and our guests

2156
01:34:29,759 --> 01:34:26,559
include Tim Buckley and Allen Greenfield

2157
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:29,769
Claudia now would it make sense for us

2158
01:34:34,649 --> 01:34:31,510
to know what you do in civilian life

2159
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,659
well I'm retired I used to work for the

2160
01:34:40,770 --> 01:34:36,159
state of New York for the Department of

2161
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:40,780
Labor for 39 years and right now I'm I'm

2162
01:34:45,989 --> 01:34:42,729
a widow I'm taken care of so like I say

2163
01:34:47,790 --> 01:34:45,999
of my mother and I'm enjoying my

2164
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:47,800
retirement I have a lot of friends and

2165
01:34:53,459 --> 01:34:51,010
do volunteer work and travel and read

2166
01:34:55,919 --> 01:34:53,469
and unlike him I write the old-time

2167
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:55,929
horror movie some I'm a big fan of all

2168
01:35:01,049 --> 01:34:58,719
the universal movies of the 1930s like

2169
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:01,059
miraculous Frankenstein I've quite a

2170
01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:03,610
collection of that films where they use

2171
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:06,190
thrills and a little bit of suggestion

2172
01:35:13,469 --> 01:35:09,610
and great acting rather than slash and

2173
01:35:15,450 --> 01:35:13,479
all that stuff yeah story that Claudia

2174
01:35:22,620 --> 01:35:15,460
tells sounds just like something right

2175
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:22,630
out of the movie and phantasm Jerry it's

2176
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:26,590
a big tall stranger and yeah we used to

2177
01:35:31,589 --> 01:35:29,050
go by am on the way to Ivan T's

2178
01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:31,599
Sanderson's place and Blairstown New

2179
01:35:36,270 --> 01:35:33,880
Jersey we used to go by an old cemetery

2180
01:35:38,669 --> 01:35:36,280
there that was rumored to have all kinds

2181
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:38,679
of weird things going on too scared to

2182
01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:41,199
stop actually effect so if they start

2183
01:35:45,149 --> 01:35:43,420
chasing you you would just keep going

2184
01:35:47,339 --> 01:35:45,159
Greg you've been listening to all this

2185
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:47,349
do you have a few things to ask Claudia

2186
01:35:52,109 --> 01:35:49,690
to try to amplify this well I'm

2187
01:35:53,790 --> 01:35:52,119
wondering if she if she was able to

2188
01:35:56,729 --> 01:35:53,800
check out those other stories in the

2189
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:56,739
graveyard about the people flying over

2190
01:36:00,030 --> 01:35:58,000
the gravestones and

2191
01:36:01,140 --> 01:36:00,040
Yama's it's these little weird things

2192
01:36:03,180 --> 01:36:01,150
about these stories that really

2193
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:03,190
intrigued me and that I really like and

2194
01:36:06,420 --> 01:36:04,810
everybody's concentrating on one day

2195
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:06,430
it's like chris says it's an easy see

2196
01:36:10,050 --> 01:36:07,690
something weird you should look behind

2197
01:36:11,910 --> 01:36:10,060
you have you ever checked out any of

2198
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,920
those other stories like the couple with

2199
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:13,360
the the flying couple and what do you

2200
01:36:19,820 --> 01:36:16,050
say the other one was a big black dog

2201
01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:19,830
dog thing is pretty common in in

2202
01:36:25,980 --> 01:36:23,400
paranormal or not not usually with

2203
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:25,990
cemeteries but I tell that to people

2204
01:36:29,670 --> 01:36:28,060
they say you know our cemetery is often

2205
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:29,680
haunted and according to ghost

2206
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:31,330
researches well not really because

2207
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,280
there's just dead people there there's

2208
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:35,440
not really a residual anything that

2209
01:36:39,450 --> 01:36:36,970
happened there if you subscribe to that

2210
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:39,460
theory but have you heard anything else

2211
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:41,110
about the other goings-on in the

2212
01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:43,450
cemetery no just what I read on the

2213
01:36:47,310 --> 01:36:45,640
internet after this happened and there's

2214
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:47,320
a couple of sites to talk about this

2215
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:49,570
stuff but it doesn't go into detail so

2216
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:51,970
I'm a little frustrated there but I

2217
01:36:56,940 --> 01:36:54,880
every time I talk to my niece I said you

2218
01:36:58,860 --> 01:36:56,950
know I'd like to meet that caretaker

2219
01:37:01,410 --> 01:36:58,870
I'll buy him a cup of coffee sometimes

2220
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:01,420
he you know what what people have told

2221
01:37:06,510 --> 01:37:04,510
him about it I'm working on like weird

2222
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:06,520
stories about different things and I'm

2223
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:08,050
sure the other people are writing who

2224
01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:10,330
are on this show Chris and and Alan and

2225
01:37:14,580 --> 01:37:12,160
everybody else once you go and ask

2226
01:37:16,260 --> 01:37:14,590
people about what's going on they will

2227
01:37:18,420 --> 01:37:16,270
usually tell you if it's something weird

2228
01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:18,430
and you don't look to you know nasty or

2229
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:19,780
insane because they want to tell

2230
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:21,490
somebody they want to really want to

2231
01:37:24,990 --> 01:37:23,530
know that they're not crazy so they

2232
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:25,000
won't tell you you know I think you

2233
01:37:29,970 --> 01:37:26,770
should get in touch with that caretaker

2234
01:37:31,980 --> 01:37:29,980
doesn't that show by the way that one of

2235
01:37:33,810 --> 01:37:31,990
the biggest failings of UFO research is

2236
01:37:35,340 --> 01:37:33,820
that investigators come in there and

2237
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:35,350
they're well-meaning and they're sincere

2238
01:37:39,570 --> 01:37:37,750
and some are trained in investigative

2239
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:39,580
techniques but they're so busy looking

2240
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:41,920
at the UFO story they're now looking at

2241
01:37:46,290 --> 01:37:43,750
all this other stuff that's going on

2242
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:46,300
around that UFO story and Chris

2243
01:37:51,540 --> 01:37:48,730
certainly you've explored so many of

2244
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,550
these tales where people once you get to

2245
01:37:57,090 --> 01:37:53,920
know them once you sit down have a cup

2246
01:38:00,360 --> 01:37:57,100
of coffee have a pizza enjoy a little

2247
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:00,370
time you learn that the experiences are

2248
01:38:06,660 --> 01:38:03,610
far more unusual right yeah correct

2249
01:38:08,340 --> 01:38:06,670
oftentimes you know if I if I have a

2250
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:08,350
case that I'm really interested in

2251
01:38:13,690 --> 01:38:11,210
pursuing and I know the witnesses are

2252
01:38:16,180 --> 01:38:13,700
terrified or extremely nervous about

2253
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:16,190
divulging the details of their

2254
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:18,170
experience what I'll do is I'll just

2255
01:38:22,930 --> 01:38:20,930
befriend them and I'll just call every

2256
01:38:25,870 --> 01:38:22,940
so often and I'll never ask them about

2257
01:38:28,210 --> 01:38:25,880
their experience they know who I am and

2258
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:28,220
who I'm calling it's kind of a reverse

2259
01:38:33,250 --> 01:38:31,040
psychology eventually they'll you know

2260
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:33,260
it's the floodgates will open and and

2261
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:36,080
all this wonderful information will come

2262
01:38:40,210 --> 01:38:37,730
out one thing I want to mention the

2263
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:40,220
Claudia is that there is a guy who is

2264
01:38:44,380 --> 01:38:41,840
local up there his name is David

2265
01:38:47,470 --> 01:38:44,390
Pritchard he's written a number of books

2266
01:38:49,570 --> 01:38:47,480
on the more celebrated haunted sites in

2267
01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:49,580
the upper you know Hudson Valley region

2268
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:51,320
there and in New England he would be a

2269
01:38:56,350 --> 01:38:53,330
very good person a good resource to go

2270
01:38:57,670 --> 01:38:56,360
to and I can go ahead and send you his

2271
01:39:01,690 --> 01:38:57,680
contact information

2272
01:39:04,090 --> 01:39:01,700
he's a very straight shooting longtime

2273
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:04,100
40 year plus investigator of haunted

2274
01:39:09,310 --> 01:39:06,170
sites in the area someone whose work I

2275
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:09,320
admire very level-headed but I think

2276
01:39:15,670 --> 01:39:12,320
Greg's right I the and jeans right this

2277
01:39:18,250 --> 01:39:15,680
is a perfect example of the need for

2278
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:18,260
taking the blinders off and not looking

2279
01:39:23,650 --> 01:39:20,510
at one particular aspect of the

2280
01:39:25,690 --> 01:39:23,660
paranormal or the the unknown I think we

2281
01:39:28,300 --> 01:39:25,700
should always know factoring in in the

2282
01:39:30,510 --> 01:39:28,310
the other the other types of phenomena

2283
01:39:32,980 --> 01:39:30,520
loved categories they should always be

2284
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:32,990
you should always be aware of them and

2285
01:39:38,530 --> 01:39:35,930
be looking for you know reports that

2286
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:38,540
that maybe coincidentally or

2287
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:40,730
synchronistically in the same time

2288
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:42,290
period for instance so yeah that's a

2289
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:44,780
very good point we know a lot of people

2290
01:39:50,050 --> 01:39:47,810
accused that a John keel of a kind of

2291
01:39:52,330 --> 01:39:50,060
killing the the Lily and making up a lot

2292
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:52,340
of his stories because I guess he didn't

2293
01:39:58,510 --> 01:39:55,760
do a very good job of cross-referencing

2294
01:40:00,610 --> 01:39:58,520
the incidents or giving me the names of

2295
01:40:03,070 --> 01:40:00,620
the people they involved but back in my

2296
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,080
youth when I was not doing a lot more in

2297
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:05,440
field investigation than I am now I

2298
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:07,730
often found that there there was a lot

2299
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:09,650
of relationship between a different

2300
01:40:14,890 --> 01:40:12,770
phenomena I remember I was out in Ohio

2301
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:14,900
and there had been a little item in the

2302
01:40:19,330 --> 01:40:16,970
newspaper actually here in the New York

2303
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:19,340
Post The Daily News to the effect that

2304
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,610
something hadn't landed in a farmers

2305
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:24,960
corn field so I said well what

2306
01:40:30,620 --> 01:40:27,330
I'm gonna be out there anyway let me go

2307
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:30,630
check in on the the neighborhood and I

2308
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:32,850
met with the the fellow who owned the

2309
01:40:35,660 --> 01:40:34,260
corn field well now when you think of a

2310
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:35,670
corn field you think of up there you

2311
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:37,770
know like 10 acres a corn or something

2312
01:40:42,650 --> 01:40:39,330
well this was a little cornfield in back

2313
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:42,660
of his house apparently his grandson had

2314
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:44,610
seen something that the you know land

2315
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:47,250
and they went out there the next day and

2316
01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:49,920
there the corn was flattened and there

2317
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:52,260
were three indentures in the ground as

2318
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:54,210
if something had landed on that tripod

2319
01:40:59,690 --> 01:40:56,570
the tripod you know that was kind of a

2320
01:41:01,729 --> 01:40:59,700
popular a UFO type in those days you

2321
01:41:02,900 --> 01:41:01,739
don't quite hear about them too much any

2322
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:02,910
anymore you know

2323
01:41:07,010 --> 01:41:04,980
a Madison okay well by that time the

2324
01:41:08,959 --> 01:41:07,020
other corner was not meshed out so much

2325
01:41:11,300 --> 01:41:08,969
and I couldn't really see the tripod you

2326
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:11,310
know landing gear or didn't really want

2327
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:12,960
to walk that far into the cornfield you

2328
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:16,260
know but I have an answer you the cell

2329
01:41:19,820 --> 01:41:18,000
that owned the property as well have you

2330
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:19,830
heard about anything you know Elsa

2331
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,350
transpiring around here and he said well

2332
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:25,440
you know and this is a very sparsely

2333
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:27,930
populated neighborhood I mean you'd have

2334
01:41:32,270 --> 01:41:30,570
to walk the equivalent of five city

2335
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:32,280
blocks maybe before you come to the next

2336
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:34,170
property you know you simple stretch

2337
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:35,730
down with the woman about a quarter of a

2338
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:38,850
mile down the road I hear I hear she had

2339
01:41:42,830 --> 01:41:40,290
some sighting or something happened to

2340
01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:42,840
her so I went down there and and I spoke

2341
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:44,940
to this you know and lady and she said

2342
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:47,250
oh yes you know I saw some cigar-shaped

2343
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:49,710
object off in the distance there but she

2344
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:51,810
said you know my main concern is I've

2345
01:41:55,729 --> 01:41:54,210
had Bigfoot in my yard and I said you've

2346
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:55,739
had Bigfoot in New York how do you know

2347
01:41:59,900 --> 01:41:58,050
that she said well yeah you know when

2348
01:42:02,000 --> 01:41:59,910
I'm in the house I can hear him

2349
01:42:03,740 --> 01:42:02,010
something around the ear conditioner

2350
01:42:06,110 --> 01:42:03,750
I said well are you sure it's you know

2351
01:42:08,300 --> 01:42:06,120
that the somebody trying to play a trick

2352
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:08,310
on you or maybe it's just something

2353
01:42:12,650 --> 01:42:09,810
wrong with the air conditioner no no

2354
01:42:14,450 --> 01:42:12,660
because after you know I've heard

2355
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:14,460
something around I'd go out back and

2356
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:16,380
there'd be this pretty peculiar smell

2357
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:17,610
you know often they smell like a skunk

2358
01:42:21,050 --> 01:42:19,110
pear or something like that

2359
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:21,060
and I said well maybe what's the skunk

2360
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:23,370
oh no because it left big intentions in

2361
01:42:26,979 --> 01:42:24,840
the ground and she said the thing was

2362
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:26,989
you know twice the size of the man's

2363
01:42:32,810 --> 01:42:29,760
footprint and I had three toes I think

2364
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,820
that was it wasn't like in like a human

2365
01:42:36,979 --> 01:42:34,560
footprint you know so I said well that's

2366
01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:36,989
that's pretty you know strange and she

2367
01:42:40,700 --> 01:42:38,820
seemed to tell it in all sincerity

2368
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:40,710
so I said well anybody else did you know

2369
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:43,050
you no no right here well walk another

2370
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:45,090
quarter mile down the road right so I

2371
01:42:50,660 --> 01:42:46,800
walk another quarter mile down the road

2372
01:42:51,919 --> 01:42:50,670
wish you could do that now and and you

2373
01:42:53,629 --> 01:42:51,929
know ringing the next doorbell or I

2374
01:42:56,089 --> 01:42:53,639
think actually is a knock on the screen

2375
01:42:58,339 --> 01:42:56,099
door and the woman behind the screen

2376
01:42:59,450 --> 01:42:58,349
door says I can't talk to you about all

2377
01:43:02,330 --> 01:42:59,460
the things that have been happening here

2378
01:43:03,770 --> 01:43:02,340
well of course she continued to chew my

2379
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:03,780
ear off about this for about two hours

2380
01:43:08,509 --> 01:43:06,030
with her standing on one side of the

2381
01:43:11,209 --> 01:43:08,519
screen door and me standing out you know

2382
01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:11,219
outside on the back stoop so basically

2383
01:43:16,450 --> 01:43:14,340
the phrase I can tell you about is an

2384
01:43:21,919 --> 01:43:16,460
invitation to spend the next six hours

2385
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:21,929
explaining why she can't change her case

2386
01:43:27,410 --> 01:43:24,360
I believe the main thrusters for

2387
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:27,420
paranormal experience was communicating

2388
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,920
with the water heater times I wanted to

2389
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,360
communicate with my water here

2390
01:43:37,759 --> 01:43:35,280
especially when I was not enough hot

2391
01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:37,769
water frying pan well you kind of spirit

2392
01:43:42,049 --> 01:43:40,409
that but remember the the beginning of

2393
01:43:44,569 --> 01:43:42,059
the the Spiritualist movement which took

2394
01:43:46,970 --> 01:43:44,579
place in upstate New York was the Fox

2395
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:46,980
sisters who heard something on the wall

2396
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:49,679
in the ceilings and other before Borden

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on their bed board and everything like

2398
01:43:57,169 --> 01:43:55,920
that so some say communicating maybe

2399
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,179
when the hot water heater might be a

2400
01:44:01,729 --> 01:43:59,760
little bit unusual but it is there is

2401
01:44:04,220 --> 01:44:01,739
precedent in the history of the

2402
01:44:07,450 --> 01:44:04,230
paranormal so I think what there's also

2403
01:44:10,490 --> 01:44:07,460
precedent in the history of commercials

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01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:10,500
we're talking to Tim Beckley Claudia

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01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:13,110
Cunningham Allen Greenfield and here's a

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2430
01:45:11,740 --> 01:45:10,130
again that's GC and live.com hi this is

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01:45:13,780 --> 01:45:11,750
Ted Anderson have you ever wondered why

2432
01:45:15,729 --> 01:45:13,790
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

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01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:15,739
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

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01:45:19,780 --> 01:45:18,110
available since 1986 yet the financial

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01:45:21,130 --> 01:45:19,790
industry won't recognize the value of

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gold for your retirement

2437
01:45:25,209 --> 01:45:23,060
gold has outperformed paper investments

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01:45:55,540 --> 01:45:25,219
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2439
01:46:01,210 --> 01:45:58,300
we returned our co-host is Chris O'Brien

2440
01:46:02,530 --> 01:46:01,220
Greg Bishop has departed for the new

2441
01:46:04,450 --> 01:46:02,540
year he's gonna have a New Year

2442
01:46:07,210 --> 01:46:04,460
celebration very early we have Claudia

2443
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:07,220
Cunningham Allen Greenfield Tim Beckley

2444
01:46:10,630 --> 01:46:09,020
and we're talking about the fact that

2445
01:46:13,180 --> 01:46:10,640
you go into an area where people have

2446
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,190
unusual encounters and you find out that

2447
01:46:18,430 --> 01:46:15,920
the unusual encounters are often far

2448
01:46:20,530 --> 01:46:18,440
more unusual than anyone would have

2449
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:20,540
imagined yeah well you know UFO

2450
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:22,970
researchers have been things that

2451
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:24,800
they're being scientific so-called

2452
01:46:29,050 --> 01:46:26,810
scientific ufologists you know they they

2453
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:29,060
go in and they look at one little light

2454
01:46:32,140 --> 01:46:30,560
and they of the sky or something that

2455
01:46:34,300 --> 01:46:32,150
might have landed in the field but in

2456
01:46:35,620 --> 01:46:34,310
the meantime they have you know

2457
01:46:37,540 --> 01:46:35,630
forgotten about everything else that

2458
01:46:39,370 --> 01:46:37,550
might be occurring there in fact when

2459
01:46:42,670 --> 01:46:39,380
you finish investigating the year the

2460
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:42,680
case like in this incident in Ohio that

2461
01:46:47,620 --> 01:46:44,810
I was involved in researching years ago

2462
01:46:50,710 --> 01:46:47,630
the UFO and the landing becomes the most

2463
01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:50,720
mundane perhaps of all will say strange

2464
01:46:55,150 --> 01:46:53,150
things that took place there but then

2465
01:46:57,550 --> 01:46:55,160
strange things are taking place all

2466
01:46:59,770 --> 01:46:57,560
around us day and night see and that's

2467
01:47:02,380 --> 01:46:59,780
why you know even this recently the

2468
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:02,390
press conference on the UFO sightings

2469
01:47:07,450 --> 01:47:05,330
over the missile silos and complexes and

2470
01:47:09,850 --> 01:47:07,460
all well that's all very interesting and

2471
01:47:11,890 --> 01:47:09,860
then it surely does that wait you know

2472
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:11,900
by the credibility of the witnesses but

2473
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,370
I think they missed the point you know

2474
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:15,440
they're trying to say well the aliens

2475
01:47:19,930 --> 01:47:17,360
are trying to be tell us to be careful

2476
01:47:23,650 --> 01:47:19,940
about our nuclear you know activities

2477
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:23,660
and in the proliferation of the so forth

2478
01:47:27,550 --> 01:47:25,580
on the planet but you know UFOs have

2479
01:47:29,290 --> 01:47:27,560
been seen everywhere so just the fact

2480
01:47:31,450 --> 01:47:29,300
that they have been seen over nuclear

2481
01:47:33,550 --> 01:47:31,460
missile silos or over military bases I

2482
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:33,560
don't think it's really that significant

2483
01:47:38,290 --> 01:47:36,050
because I used to write for of course

2484
01:47:40,210 --> 01:47:38,300
the UFO report which saga magazine put

2485
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:40,220
out in the and the seven they said it

2486
01:47:44,260 --> 01:47:41,810
was quite a publication you know and I

2487
01:47:48,010 --> 01:47:44,270
did I get articles about UFO sightings

2488
01:47:50,890 --> 01:47:48,020
over earthquake zones UFO sightings over

2489
01:47:54,210 --> 01:47:50,900
major cities UFOs have been seen

2490
01:47:56,530 --> 01:47:54,220
everywhere it's part of it's part of the

2491
01:47:58,900 --> 01:47:56,540
environment since the beginning of time

2492
01:48:01,780 --> 01:47:58,910
as far as I'm concerned so I don't see

2493
01:48:04,750 --> 01:48:01,790
any particular significance in in one

2494
01:48:08,650 --> 01:48:04,760
incident over another there here there

2495
01:48:10,750 --> 01:48:08,660
they're everywhere Alan what is your

2496
01:48:12,850 --> 01:48:10,760
observation about what claudia has been

2497
01:48:16,150 --> 01:48:12,860
talking about and various experiences

2498
01:48:18,430 --> 01:48:16,160
she has had okay I certainly don't want

2499
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,440
to be misunderstood to be diminishing it

2500
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:20,080
because I think it's a totally valid

2501
01:48:25,930 --> 01:48:23,330
experience it's conceivable that the guy

2502
01:48:27,610 --> 01:48:25,940
at the dollar store was just a guy at

2503
01:48:30,130 --> 01:48:27,620
the dollar store who was dressed in

2504
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:30,140
black heaven knows I dress in black

2505
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:33,170
because I'm slightly demented but that's

2506
01:48:38,050 --> 01:48:34,510
an either under there

2507
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:38,060
sue admitted we don't all want to admit

2508
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:40,130
we are demented some of us rather

2509
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:43,040
pretend to be normal not in a world as

2510
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:45,920
crazy as this is not to be the minute is

2511
01:48:52,300 --> 01:48:48,560
a very dominant thing to do but in any

2512
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:52,310
case I want to underscore that there are

2513
01:48:58,240 --> 01:48:55,130
many many cases of this sort it is rare

2514
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:58,250
that we get someone who has experienced

2515
01:49:03,370 --> 01:49:01,040
it directly and those others who have

2516
01:49:06,490 --> 01:49:03,380
experienced some of these phenomena

2517
01:49:10,030 --> 01:49:06,500
around cemeteries specifically directly

2518
01:49:13,780 --> 01:49:10,040
that as far as I can see the only thing

2519
01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:13,790
flying in the story is people you know

2520
01:49:18,670 --> 01:49:16,100
and if we're going to talk about flying

2521
01:49:22,810 --> 01:49:18,680
people we best talk about Mabel witch

2522
01:49:25,090 --> 01:49:22,820
lore not with Al or medieval witch lore

2523
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,100
and the notion of flying on broomsticks

2524
01:49:31,300 --> 01:49:28,400
and say well those are UFOs well they

2525
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:31,310
may be but the point is this seems to be

2526
01:49:38,590 --> 01:49:35,360
a paranormal phenomenon where the men in

2527
01:49:43,170 --> 01:49:38,600
black quote-unquote are seen in relation

2528
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:43,180
to a place often associated with

2529
01:49:49,930 --> 01:49:46,930
discarnate entities with

2530
01:49:53,260 --> 01:49:49,940
materializations with ghosts I have

2531
01:49:56,710 --> 01:49:53,270
taken any relatively famous photo of a

2532
01:50:01,570 --> 01:49:56,720
ghost in a purportedly haunted cemetery

2533
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:01,580
and I have kodak has a long story but

2534
01:50:08,500 --> 01:50:05,030
the KGB had no explanation for it

2535
01:50:12,190 --> 01:50:08,510
whoa whoa well let me just stop backup

2536
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:12,200
the KGB had no what explanation why

2537
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:15,890
where's the KGB involved in this well I

2538
01:50:20,860 --> 01:50:17,450
wanted to submit

2539
01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:20,870
the photo to various photo analysts and

2540
01:50:26,260 --> 01:50:23,990
I had I have to be a little bit careful

2541
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:26,270
here for him even at this late date but

2542
01:50:34,780 --> 01:50:31,520
I had a friend who had access to the

2543
01:50:37,450 --> 01:50:34,790
KGB's entire photographic apparatus and

2544
01:50:41,110 --> 01:50:37,460
after hours he and he's a photo analyst

2545
01:50:43,090 --> 01:50:41,120
and he subjected it to basically all the

2546
01:50:46,270 --> 01:50:43,100
tests they would run on any kind of you

2547
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:49,840
photo asset and could sign no

2548
01:50:56,230 --> 01:50:52,970
explanation for it just as Eastman Kodak

2549
01:50:59,140 --> 01:50:56,240
who at that time employed this is in pre

2550
01:51:03,220 --> 01:50:59,150
digital times a specialist they could

2551
01:51:05,860 --> 01:51:03,230
find new explanation for the photo as

2552
01:51:08,440 --> 01:51:05,870
well it's not quite as mysterious as it

2553
01:51:11,170 --> 01:51:08,450
sounds the KGB was in his mysterious and

2554
01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:11,180
it sounds ugly yes but we were just

2555
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:13,310
talking earlier about the CIA scaring

2556
01:51:17,860 --> 01:51:15,050
the bejesus out of people in order to

2557
01:51:20,710 --> 01:51:17,870
disrupt the Communists in ufology well

2558
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:20,720
whoever that may be and I probably come

2559
01:51:26,860 --> 01:51:22,490
closer to me about the else and I'm not

2560
01:51:29,140 --> 01:51:26,870
that close a Social Democrats count I

2561
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:29,150
guess they do and I guess they do for

2562
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:39,280
and the tea party but there was relative

2563
01:51:44,020 --> 01:51:41,030
open access in the period we're talking

2564
01:51:46,270 --> 01:51:44,030
about the word was analyzed was that

2565
01:51:47,230 --> 01:51:46,280
transitional period in the late 80s

2566
01:51:50,860 --> 01:51:47,240
early 90s

2567
01:51:54,460 --> 01:51:50,870
between glasnost and the fall of the

2568
01:51:58,180 --> 01:51:54,470
Soviet Union so it was a kind of an open

2569
01:52:00,910 --> 01:51:58,190
era but they the the the photo analysis

2570
01:52:02,110 --> 01:52:00,920
was I would consider her as as good as

2571
01:52:05,410 --> 01:52:02,120
anything that you can get in this

2572
01:52:09,190 --> 01:52:05,420
country and it wasn't official that it

2573
01:52:13,210 --> 01:52:09,200
was done by a person who had full access

2574
01:52:17,890 --> 01:52:13,220
and full competence to use the the

2575
01:52:20,230 --> 01:52:17,900
entire apparatus of the internal secret

2576
01:52:22,180 --> 01:52:20,240
police nothing I'm not I don't regard

2577
01:52:24,610 --> 01:52:22,190
that as you know any bigger than Kodak

2578
01:52:28,150 --> 01:52:24,620
analyzing it but it was sort of a

2579
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:28,160
backdoor thing but then you know one of

2580
01:52:30,939 --> 01:52:30,410
my books that keeps getting pulled down

2581
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:30,949
by

2582
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:33,050
it's detractors the only place you can

2583
01:52:38,319 --> 01:52:35,360
find it for free and not under my

2584
01:52:42,489 --> 01:52:38,329
control is on our site in Belarus which

2585
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,499
really doesn't care very much about us I

2586
01:52:47,890 --> 01:52:45,199
have defied laws or people that might

2587
01:52:50,049 --> 01:52:47,900
sue because infant I don't controller

2588
01:52:52,859 --> 01:52:50,059
they can't really blame me for it but

2589
01:52:55,719 --> 01:52:52,869
I'm happy to see it up there it's in a

2590
01:52:59,229 --> 01:52:55,729
PDF and it's on an unrelated subject or

2591
01:53:01,660 --> 01:52:59,239
or what is probably a related subject

2592
01:53:03,759 --> 01:53:01,670
vehicle which you follow just seem to

2593
01:53:08,199 --> 01:53:03,769
think it is an unrelated subject

2594
01:53:09,969 --> 01:53:08,209
something I'm trying to change that's

2595
01:53:12,069 --> 01:53:09,979
all there is to that but I don't know

2596
01:53:15,819 --> 01:53:12,079
where I was going because you got off on

2597
01:53:18,219 --> 01:53:15,829
the KTV and Alan you also took a

2598
01:53:20,859 --> 01:53:18,229
photograph of a man in the black because

2599
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:20,869
I know I described it and I am I am

2600
01:53:26,949 --> 01:53:24,590
Malala I think about it you were at the

2601
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:26,959
table at the time this guy walk in I

2602
01:53:31,180 --> 01:53:28,249
don't know if you had noticed him at the

2603
01:53:34,060 --> 01:53:31,190
conflation I don't remember Yeah right

2604
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:34,070
yeah you know it was not like you know

2605
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:36,650
he wasn't glowing or anything it was

2606
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:38,570
when I confronted him that things got

2607
01:53:43,660 --> 01:53:41,209
really weird I thought he was you know

2608
01:53:46,359 --> 01:53:43,670
somebody doing a man in black but of

2609
01:53:48,129 --> 01:53:46,369
course when I confronted him and I just

2610
01:53:49,689 --> 01:53:48,139
decided to do that on the spur of the

2611
01:53:52,029 --> 01:53:49,699
moment because we had a lot of witnesses

2612
01:53:54,969 --> 01:53:52,039
around and of course he seems to

2613
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:54,979
remember but and some of you know gray

2614
01:53:59,680 --> 01:53:57,679
was there Jim was there Jim Mosley was

2615
01:54:02,830 --> 01:53:59,690
there but you know some of them have

2616
01:54:07,089 --> 01:54:02,840
gone on and some some have different

2617
01:54:09,850 --> 01:54:07,099
memories of events one of those

2618
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:09,860
instances by the way with Tim Beck leg

2619
01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:12,530
and his photograph of someone who may be

2620
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:14,329
a man in black in a moment but go ahead

2621
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:18,650
Allen okay when you talk about that let

2622
01:54:25,089 --> 01:54:21,650
me put in my two cents worth regarding

2623
01:54:28,270 --> 01:54:25,099
why I believe this particular man in

2624
01:54:29,410 --> 01:54:28,280
black was shadowing specifically John

2625
01:54:32,830 --> 01:54:29,420
and Mary Robinson

2626
01:54:35,890 --> 01:54:32,840
but in any case when I confronted the

2627
01:54:38,439 --> 01:54:35,900
guy he let me take the photo or or just

2628
01:54:41,620 --> 01:54:38,449
was froze and I don't know which it was

2629
01:54:43,310 --> 01:54:41,630
he cleared a lie and then went around a

2630
01:54:45,319 --> 01:54:43,320
corner and I'm

2631
01:54:47,689 --> 01:54:45,329
you know thought to get well I got a

2632
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:47,699
second photo of him running away well he

2633
01:54:52,669 --> 01:54:50,130
wasn't running he was walking and if he

2634
01:54:54,890 --> 01:54:52,679
ran he ran after he got to the corner it

2635
01:54:58,939 --> 01:54:54,900
may have been 2 seconds it was a Sunday

2636
01:55:00,649 --> 01:54:58,949
in Charleston West Virginia which is as

2637
01:55:02,810 --> 01:55:00,659
much as saying you could shoot a cannon

2638
01:55:03,470 --> 01:55:02,820
often and you know in the street and hit

2639
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:03,480
nobody

2640
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:05,340
so there weren't warrant wasn't a lot of

2641
01:55:10,819 --> 01:55:06,510
traffic there weren't a lot of people

2642
01:55:14,540 --> 01:55:10,829
that were I turned the corner maybe tops

2643
01:55:18,020 --> 01:55:14,550
2 seconds after him and he was gone now

2644
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:18,030
this this episode is continuing but this

2645
01:55:22,490 --> 01:55:20,130
segment is gone because that's how it

2646
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:22,500
has to be our co-host is Chris O'Brien

2647
01:55:26,479 --> 01:55:24,210
Greg Bishop was here a little bit

2648
01:55:28,939 --> 01:55:26,489
earlier we have Claudia Cunningham Allen

2649
01:55:31,339 --> 01:55:28,949
Greenfield Tim Beckley the man around

2650
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:31,349
the corner is gone I'm Jean Steinberg

2651
01:55:42,350 --> 01:55:40,440
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few seconds past you turn the corner

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he's not there okay let me be emphasized

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two seconds tops

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I mean I'm being very generous there I

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turned the corner he turned the corner

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as soon as I took the photo and I turned

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the corner immediately after him I was

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no more than eight feet behind him I was

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moving quickly so two seconds is

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probably being generous with with the

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timing and he was not there I did not

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see him disappear in thin air but I

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looked very carefully around me and

2790
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there simply was no indication that I

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had that he could have gone in another

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door because there weren't any it was a

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kind of around the corner it was a non

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comer a non retail type neighborhood in

2795
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other words warehouses and so forth

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there were no entrances within easy

2797
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reach of them no cars that he could have

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gotten into no place that he could have

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hidden it was in broad daylight he

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disappeared the fact that I did not see

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him disappear at that moment is

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unfortunate but the fact that that he

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was gone I would say disappearing in

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thin air is more likely than any other

2805
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:43,949
explanation that occurs to me and I've

2806
02:01:47,029 --> 02:01:45,570
had a lot of years to think about it and

2807
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:47,039
I had a lot of years before I even

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mentioned this to anyone I do believe

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02:01:55,189 --> 02:01:53,280
that can correct me Tim is covering this

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in his new book on the darker side of

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ufology

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and I believe Nick Redfern in a

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02:02:03,620 --> 02:02:01,590
different way is is also covering this

2814
02:02:04,860 --> 02:02:03,630
in his new book on the men in black

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we're going to have new

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material on this old but never before

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revealed case and one of the few by a

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02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:13,750
ufologist and of course him also has one

2819
02:02:20,730 --> 02:02:17,440
of those okay Tim the picture the famous

2820
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picture in someone near the home of John

2821
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:21,880
and Mary Robinson

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02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:23,920
that's great now there have been

2823
02:02:29,070 --> 02:02:25,570
differing memories we talked to Jim

2824
02:02:31,410 --> 02:02:29,080
Mosely about this and I gather you might

2825
02:02:34,110 --> 02:02:31,420
remember it differently than he does but

2826
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that's not unusual lots of us remember

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02:02:37,950 --> 02:02:35,920
things a little differently than Jim

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02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:37,960
does okay there's only one way to

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remember it and if anybody who wants to

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check the background my book the UFO

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with silencers mysteries of the men in

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black has a an entire chapter in the

2833
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Jack Robinson wrote about the incident

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so we could this way to what happened to

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his eyes because he was actually the one

2836
02:03:05,030 --> 02:02:59,200
that this is all happening to any way

2837
02:03:08,040 --> 02:03:05,040
back in 1966-67 there was a rather large

2838
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continuing wave of UFO reports and

2839
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landings in the metropolitan area there

2840
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was one incident where a group of

2841
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teenage boys had seen a tall but a tall

2842
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green greenish that's let's say a little

2843
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brunette because this was like tall

2844
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:29,320
greenish being running away from them in

2845
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one of the parks I think it was there to

2846
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:34,870
say but you'd have to check the UFO

2847
02:03:40,860 --> 02:03:37,450
silences book I the details of course on

2848
02:03:43,410 --> 02:03:40,870
that but anyway Jack was in fog was an

2849
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:43,420
associate editor of saucer news I was

2850
02:03:46,710 --> 02:03:44,890
the managing editor and I believe you

2851
02:03:48,450 --> 02:03:46,720
were on the staff a it that's the point

2852
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:48,460
or around that point as well I was her

2853
02:03:53,670 --> 02:03:51,570
predecessor there you go okay anyway now

2854
02:03:56,730 --> 02:03:53,680
social news of course have the largest

2855
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circulation of any UFO magazine at the

2856
02:04:00,740 --> 02:03:58,420
time and probably the largest

2857
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subscription base of any UFO magazine

2858
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ever as far as we know because Jim

2859
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didn't have a mailing list at one point

2860
02:04:13,140 --> 02:04:10,510
of about 10,000 names thanks to a kitty

2861
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:13,150
a program I believe Chuck McCann was it

2862
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:16,000
that he was on as a frequent guest and

2863
02:04:19,479 --> 02:04:16,880
of course he was on long

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02:04:21,669 --> 02:04:19,489
John and I was on some time - and and

2865
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:21,679
Jack was a member of the specialists

2866
02:04:26,910 --> 02:04:23,210
officer dues and sub students had a real

2867
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:26,920
office on fist Avenue in Manhattan and

2868
02:04:33,310 --> 02:04:30,170
regular meetings and staff meetings as

2869
02:04:36,459 --> 02:04:33,320
well in fact jack was kind of if you

2870
02:04:39,669 --> 02:04:36,469
remember gene the secretary of the

2871
02:04:41,050 --> 02:04:39,679
movement he kept restricted minutes and

2872
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:41,060
we actually had meetings and if you were

2873
02:04:45,450 --> 02:04:43,280
on a line he'd wrap the ruler of the

2874
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:45,460
other table you know and he basically

2875
02:04:52,050 --> 02:04:49,010
knew was infused with absorbed Robert's

2876
02:04:55,570 --> 02:04:52,060
Rules of Order and I had recited

2877
02:04:58,120 --> 02:04:55,580
backwards/forwards ayahs yeah probably

2878
02:05:00,340 --> 02:04:58,130
the only person ever in ufology to to

2879
02:05:01,870 --> 02:05:00,350
actually have minutes that nobody would

2880
02:05:04,930 --> 02:05:01,880
listen to the next set the next meeting

2881
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:04,940
you know but somewhat seriously

2882
02:05:09,220 --> 02:05:07,610
researcher he was on Long John quite a

2883
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:09,230
bit he was Friends of walking Roberts

2884
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:12,290
dominic and Lou Chesley and all the

2885
02:05:17,890 --> 02:05:15,050
other great Barker of course and Jack

2886
02:05:19,959 --> 02:05:17,900
was a collector of tales about the

2887
02:05:22,090 --> 02:05:19,969
subterranean world of Richard shaver I

2888
02:05:24,459 --> 02:05:22,100
remember we used to talk quite a bit

2889
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:24,469
about that in fact it ejected a couple

2890
02:05:29,950 --> 02:05:27,290
of chapters or so my books of the shaver

2891
02:05:32,169 --> 02:05:29,960
mystery and the Inner Earth anyway there

2892
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:32,179
was this a flap of those sightings and

2893
02:05:37,770 --> 02:05:34,370
and the most pronounced one being the

2894
02:05:38,919 --> 02:05:37,780
boys who would chase their chase this

2895
02:05:42,370 --> 02:05:38,929
green-skinned

2896
02:05:44,020 --> 02:05:42,380
being through the park okay anyway there

2897
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:44,030
was another investigator by the name of

2898
02:05:48,669 --> 02:05:46,159
Smyth I think this first name was George

2899
02:05:51,010 --> 02:05:48,679
or smite who actually interviewed the

2900
02:05:52,899 --> 02:05:51,020
the boys in a group and they were

2901
02:05:54,970 --> 02:05:52,909
standing on a street corner I think in

2902
02:06:00,640 --> 02:05:54,980
the town of Elizabeth which you don't

2903
02:06:02,439 --> 02:06:00,650
necessarily want to do take time anyway

2904
02:06:04,510 --> 02:06:02,449
well he was interviewing while he was

2905
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:04,520
interviewing the teenagers they noticed

2906
02:06:09,729 --> 02:06:06,800
across the street there was this typical

2907
02:06:12,340 --> 02:06:09,739
MIB type of a Cadillac tour black car

2908
02:06:15,129 --> 02:06:12,350
park there with the window just roll

2909
02:06:17,500 --> 02:06:15,139
down perhaps that hint or two and maybe

2910
02:06:18,399 --> 02:06:17,510
some eyes looking out from peering out

2911
02:06:22,090 --> 02:06:18,409
from behind

2912
02:06:23,709 --> 02:06:22,100
well George Smith reported all the all

2913
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,719
the goings on the youthful logical

2914
02:06:27,129 --> 02:06:25,760
goings-on in the neighborhood do Jack

2915
02:06:29,770 --> 02:06:27,139
Robinson who was the point man with

2916
02:06:30,670 --> 02:06:29,780
saucer nose and the Jack would put all

2917
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:30,680
this material together

2918
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:32,480
he kept it in the file in his house and

2919
02:06:36,010 --> 02:06:34,490
talked about it on the air and I wrote

2920
02:06:38,680 --> 02:06:36,020
an article for sausage business Jim

2921
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:38,690
doesn't even remember publishing i i bet

2922
02:06:44,350 --> 02:06:41,360
because that's where it originated okay

2923
02:06:45,820 --> 02:06:44,360
so when the jack would go to work every

2924
02:06:47,530 --> 02:06:45,830
morning he worked in a bank in the

2925
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:47,540
manhattan he would take the pen straight

2926
02:06:50,620 --> 02:06:47,930
over

2927
02:06:54,250 --> 02:06:50,630
he leads to go to work maybe about 7:45

2928
02:06:56,290 --> 02:06:54,260
8 o'clock and his wife's i marry a very

2929
02:06:58,180 --> 02:06:56,300
delightful charming lady who was into

2930
02:06:59,200 --> 02:06:58,190
the paranormal phenomena she fooled

2931
02:07:01,720 --> 02:06:59,210
around this room every gene with the

2932
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:01,730
Ouija board and she was there were

2933
02:07:06,130 --> 02:07:02,930
characters there's no doubt about that

2934
02:07:07,870 --> 02:07:06,140
you know and anyway while the jack was

2935
02:07:08,890 --> 02:07:07,880
on his way to Manhattan to bring home

2936
02:07:11,050 --> 02:07:08,900
the bread

2937
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:11,060
Mary was out buying it and the she would

2938
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:12,850
do her shopping at errands around the

2939
02:07:18,700 --> 02:07:15,170
neighborhood I believe he lived on the

2940
02:07:22,060 --> 02:07:18,710
palisade Avenue which is kind of a semi

2941
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:22,070
busy area of Jersey City at least at

2942
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:24,560
that time and it was kind of a middle

2943
02:07:30,610 --> 02:07:28,880
class standard apartment buildings

2944
02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:30,620
eventually four or five foot floor

2945
02:07:33,670 --> 02:07:32,210
apartment buildings and I think they

2946
02:07:36,610 --> 02:07:33,680
lived if I remember quickly on the first

2947
02:07:38,740 --> 02:07:36,620
or second floor anyway well Mary would

2948
02:07:41,140 --> 02:07:38,750
go out to do her errand she noticed that

2949
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:41,150
standing in the doorway next to their

2950
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:43,730
building would be a gentleman dressed in

2951
02:07:48,700 --> 02:07:46,610
black I kind of strangely just sort of

2952
02:07:51,850 --> 02:07:48,710
recessed into the into the doorway

2953
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:51,860
apparently keeping eyes or tabs on the

2954
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:54,170
neighborhood and apparently knew who

2955
02:07:59,230 --> 02:07:56,000
would go in and out of their front door

2956
02:08:00,700 --> 02:07:59,240
alright so she called the numerous times

2957
02:08:03,550 --> 02:08:00,710
about this and while this was going on

2958
02:08:06,430 --> 02:08:03,560
Jack was reporting some interference on

2959
02:08:10,060 --> 02:08:06,440
the telephone some of his files being a

2960
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:10,070
rifled through of the normal paranormal

2961
02:08:15,070 --> 02:08:12,410
paranoid stuff that you might expect

2962
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from a UFO researcher now I understand

2963
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of course to anybody else this is not

2964
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normal it's very unusual we have Tim

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listening to stories like this and we'll

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02:13:12,490 --> 02:13:09,950
have Tim continue this story about this

3073
02:13:14,410 --> 02:13:12,500
man in black or whatever he was watching

3074
02:13:15,970 --> 02:13:14,420
outside the home of John and Mary

3075
02:13:18,670 --> 02:13:15,980
Robertson in New Jersey

3076
02:13:21,490 --> 02:13:18,680
what is your take about all this do you

3077
02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:21,500
find yourself looking maybe furtively

3078
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:23,330
behind you that maybe you're being

3079
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:26,090
followed by someone well the only times

3080
02:13:31,780 --> 02:13:28,490
no and yet I guess the short answer

3081
02:13:34,450 --> 02:13:31,790
would be no I don't I have had some

3082
02:13:37,110 --> 02:13:34,460
periods of time during my investigative

3083
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:37,120
work where I started getting involved in

3084
02:13:43,210 --> 02:13:41,330
researching certain subjects that were

3085
02:13:46,570 --> 02:13:43,220
probably a little dangerous when it

3086
02:13:48,460 --> 02:13:46,580
comes to the government and government

3087
02:13:50,740 --> 02:13:48,470
activities facilities that sort of thing

3088
02:13:53,680 --> 02:13:50,750
and and I did have a period about six

3089
02:13:56,140 --> 02:13:53,690
months where there were people reported

3090
02:14:00,160 --> 02:13:56,150
following me I did have a visit from a

3091
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:00,170
man in a safari suit who looked like he

3092
02:14:05,290 --> 02:14:03,050
was straight out of some spy novel and

3093
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:05,300
you know I have had some pretty

3094
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:08,570
interesting computer situations where

3095
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:10,130
impossible things would happen to my

3096
02:14:14,500 --> 02:14:12,050
computer and that sort of thing that's

3097
02:14:17,590 --> 02:14:14,510
almost to bring you back on just just to

3098
02:14:19,660 --> 02:14:17,600
talk about that yeah generally the way I

3099
02:14:23,020 --> 02:14:19,670
look at it is that there are there are

3100
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:23,030
factions within this whole mystery and

3101
02:14:29,380 --> 02:14:26,690
they're not all in agreeance and I tend

3102
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:29,390
to think that I have one faction that's

3103
02:14:33,820 --> 02:14:31,850
protecting my my work and protecting my

3104
02:14:36,430 --> 02:14:33,830
interests and shielding me from the

3105
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:36,440
other fashion so I look at this also

3106
02:14:39,730 --> 02:14:38,570
from a positive point of view that you

3107
02:14:42,250 --> 02:14:39,740
know everybody has this knee-jerk

3108
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:42,260
reaction that these types of entities or

3109
02:14:46,630 --> 02:14:44,960
beings or agents if you will are

3110
02:14:48,580 --> 02:14:46,640
negative and I I think that's an

3111
02:14:51,790 --> 02:14:48,590
assumption on our part I think there are

3112
02:14:53,980 --> 02:14:51,800
as many of these types of denizens of

3113
02:14:56,110 --> 02:14:53,990
the mysterious out there that are

3114
02:14:58,330 --> 02:14:56,120
supporting our efforts efforts as

3115
02:15:00,490 --> 02:14:58,340
opposed to trying to thwart them so

3116
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:00,500
that's kind of my take on it in other

3117
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:02,570
words I I want that glass to be filled

3118
02:15:05,330 --> 02:15:03,570
it's not half empty

3119
02:15:07,550 --> 02:15:05,340
it's not filled I'm gonna help fill it

3120
02:15:10,250 --> 02:15:07,560
so okay so let's take a look the man

3121
02:15:11,479 --> 02:15:10,260
watching Jack and Mary Robinson Tim

3122
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:11,489
Beckley tell us more

3123
02:15:17,060 --> 02:15:14,010
okay so Mary would say that she felt

3124
02:15:18,620 --> 02:15:17,070
that this individual this mid was spying

3125
02:15:21,439 --> 02:15:18,630
on them and and might have been

3126
02:15:23,870 --> 02:15:21,449
responsible for the files being rifled

3127
02:15:26,510 --> 02:15:23,880
through and the telephone interruptions

3128
02:15:29,870 --> 02:15:26,520
and so forth so she called five or six

3129
02:15:32,270 --> 02:15:29,880
times you know and and again we tried to

3130
02:15:34,220 --> 02:15:32,280
Jim and I tried to figure out well is

3131
02:15:36,140 --> 02:15:34,230
she making up the story just to

3132
02:15:38,300 --> 02:15:36,150
tantalize us and then and to have

3133
02:15:41,839 --> 02:15:38,310
something to discuss with the very

3134
02:15:43,609 --> 02:15:41,849
important staff of saucer news or it was

3135
02:15:45,709 --> 02:15:43,619
there somebody legitimately standing

3136
02:15:47,959 --> 02:15:45,719
there that shouldn't be there that early

3137
02:15:50,330 --> 02:15:47,969
in the morning and how strange were they

3138
02:15:52,939 --> 02:15:50,340
indeed so what Jim and I decided to do

3139
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:52,949
we made plans to the night before that

3140
02:15:56,870 --> 02:15:54,690
he was going to pick me up in his car

3141
02:15:58,100 --> 02:15:56,880
because he drove this is a he can't

3142
02:15:59,720 --> 02:15:58,110
remember who took the photographs well I

3143
02:16:01,939 --> 02:15:59,730
didn't drive at that time but that's

3144
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:01,949
we'll get to that in a minute okay so he

3145
02:16:06,890 --> 02:16:04,650
picked me up and we drove through the

3146
02:16:08,419 --> 02:16:06,900
Lincoln Tunnel over to Jersey City we

3147
02:16:11,060 --> 02:16:08,429
did not tell jack or Mary that we were

3148
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:11,070
coming we pulled up to Palisades Avenue

3149
02:16:16,189 --> 02:16:14,159
and some cars were double-parked a very

3150
02:16:18,410 --> 02:16:16,199
narrow street you know people there

3151
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:18,420
wasn't uh you know parking where you had

3152
02:16:21,470 --> 02:16:20,070
to move your car at the you know seven

3153
02:16:23,390 --> 02:16:21,480
o'clock the morning like it was now they

3154
02:16:24,649 --> 02:16:23,400
tell you away you know so there was cars

3155
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:24,659
parked in both sides of the street

3156
02:16:29,839 --> 02:16:28,050
leaving a very and narrow space to get

3157
02:16:31,339 --> 02:16:29,849
by if you have a drive you know it

3158
02:16:34,580 --> 02:16:31,349
wasn't one-way street

3159
02:16:37,129 --> 02:16:34,590
anyway we get up to the the barber shop

3160
02:16:39,740 --> 02:16:37,139
which was next door to the apartment

3161
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:39,750
building and sure enough there is a

3162
02:16:43,700 --> 02:16:41,969
black Cadillac parked on the street or a

3163
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,710
black car let's say cuz I don't remember

3164
02:16:47,330 --> 02:16:45,359
what it is now there's a photograph in

3165
02:16:49,610 --> 02:16:47,340
saucer news it was printed at the time

3166
02:16:51,860 --> 02:16:49,620
sure enough there's this uh I would say

3167
02:16:53,450 --> 02:16:51,870
peculiar looking individual he wasn't

3168
02:16:56,120 --> 02:16:53,460
levitating off the ground and his eyes

3169
02:16:59,209 --> 02:16:56,130
weren't blowing or anything so Jim hands

3170
02:17:02,000 --> 02:16:59,219
me his camera okay what's his camera he

3171
02:17:04,820 --> 02:17:02,010
asked me his camera I take it I stick my

3172
02:17:08,270 --> 02:17:04,830
hand outside the window focus on the

3173
02:17:10,459 --> 02:17:08,280
individual in the doorway click one

3174
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:10,469
click and there's some traffic in

3175
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:12,000
backwards so we decided we're going to

3176
02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:13,170
go around the block

3177
02:17:16,910 --> 02:17:15,689
try to find a place to park and confront

3178
02:17:18,980 --> 02:17:16,920
this person first

3179
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:18,990
Hanne well I would say it took us maybe

3180
02:17:23,330 --> 02:17:20,639
five or six minutes to get around the

3181
02:17:26,030 --> 02:17:23,340
the block right in his jersey city it's

3182
02:17:30,410 --> 02:17:26,040
not Manhattan and we get back to where

3183
02:17:33,740 --> 02:17:30,420
this had taken place and the car is God

3184
02:17:35,509 --> 02:17:33,750
and the individual is God now the

3185
02:17:37,009 --> 02:17:35,519
peculiar thing to me about this other

3186
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:37,019
than any of the fact is he did look a

3187
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little strange I I always enjoyed

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looking at the pointed shoes that he's

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wearing that maybe look a little

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two-tone or something and he's wearing

3191
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the black trenchcoat or in a Hatton and

3192
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so forth but the thing that I find

3193
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peculiar about this is that directly

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following this episode where I took the

3195
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photographs where we in Japan I took the

3196
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photograph the man never returned and

3197
02:18:05,150 --> 02:18:01,530
Jack and Mary and never reported having

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anything any more interference so people

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say well you were stalked by the men and

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black I say no

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I stalk the men in black and I do

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believe that I changed him away because

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lack of fear and persistence will often

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shotgun and get rid of the evil I don't

3205
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know how you bum sure

3206
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Alan would put it much more eloquently

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well you know what the thing I'm gonna

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ask because okay now we have the rest of

3209
02:18:32,060 --> 02:18:29,160
the story and what happened who this guy

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may have been on the other hand you know

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if you go into certain parts of New

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Jersey certain people live and work fair

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who are members of shall we say less

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than legal elements or corporations it

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could be he had business I don't think

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02:18:53,629 --> 02:18:51,320
that they were living in Jack and Mary's

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02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:53,639
building or next door to it and why

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would they disappear and mysteriously I

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never show themselves again after the

3220
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photograph was taken yeah what you know

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you don't know that because you have not

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02:19:11,030 --> 02:19:06,570
looked at that corner every time and was

3223
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Mary watching every single day certainly

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02:19:16,700 --> 02:19:13,679
you certainly have a valid point there

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Jean you know I can't swear on my life

3226
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that it was a mid but I do think it was

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a strange incident I do believe that

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gyms take on it was that there was some

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sort of after-hours gambling

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going on well there was no evidence in

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all for that most hours gambling I don't

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02:19:37,129 --> 02:19:35,160
think it's going on at 8:00 a.m. and

3233
02:19:39,290 --> 02:19:37,139
they don't use we have a guy standing in

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black in the party it doesn't it doesn't

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fit and what you added add up the fact

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that Jack and Mary were both involved

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again and all this supernatural and

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paranormal stuff and had been

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investigating these cases in the

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metropolitan the corridor you just have

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a little bit more than shall we say a

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coincidence or at least that's my take

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on and I find it a little bit strange

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and the guy is kind of odd looking I

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mean he is recessed back into the

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doorway and he doesn't even belong circa

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1967 in that neighborhood that I can put

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my finger on it yeah well you know I

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think Jean this is really important

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because I've heard the same thing from

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Jim Mosely and I think a grain of salt

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and a certain amount of skepticism it's

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really extremely important there is

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Robert Anton Wilson famous dictum

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about like cast-iron BS detector and in

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order to be able to do any of these

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things and I feel that that is true but

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my BS detector in this particular case

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tells me a number of things first of all

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of course Jack and Mary would know the

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immediate neighborhood better than

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anyone else at the time and they were in

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fact looking all the time that's that's

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sort of the reason that the Jim and Tim

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decided to go there and I am I not

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correct him yes I do get you mostly up

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at 8 o'clock in the morning or myself

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and that matter okay so they take one

3269
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sleep around the block and he's gone and

3270
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don't think that Jack and Mary stopped

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watching but they never reported it

3272
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again so the odds are that this supposed

3273
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racing town numbers taker gambling again

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opium debt whatever that really doesn't

3275
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what they're going to get scared off

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because forgive me Jim and Tim drive by

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once and take a picture that

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does not compute on the other hand it's

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consistent with my own experience of you

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go once around the block and of course

3281
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they took a little more time they were

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in a car but nevertheless gone and as

3283
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far as we can tell I presume they're

3284
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both no longer with us but I presume

3285
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Jack and Mary continued to watch and

3286
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didn't see it anymore so stop reporting

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it they would have continued to report

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it if they that or another guy had

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continued to be there gonna ask a silly

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of course we're talking about the men in

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black in reality not the movie with Will

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Smith for Tommy Lee Jones I understand

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it's gonna be a men in black 3 our

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for the men in black and maybe the men

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out at the home of the late Jack and

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Mary Robinson years and years ago Tim

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you were about to say something but I

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chanting is a bit to respond to what

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Alan said go ahead to like I say the

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material from this is from 1919

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mid-1960s and it is documented as much

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as any of this can be documented in the

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UFO silences book it was not the only

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paranormal or unexplainable incident

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that took place surrounding Jack and

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Mary George Smythe and other researchers

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involved in this

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in fact on one particular incident it

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was reported that Jim Mosely John keel

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and gray Barker showed up to interrogate

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some of the witnesses to the UFO flap

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but of course none of those three men

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were probably ever together as a group

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and certainly not in the Jersey City

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Paramus of metropolitan area early in

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the the morning or late in the afternoon

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I would even I would even think so there

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were a lot of materializations and other

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strange phenomena that adds import to

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this particular incident but I just told

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you about my own I can tell you about

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what happened to me and how I was

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involved in this now I i'm more

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concerned ever mind these these mid

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types there's this guy in the doorway

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I'm more concerned about actual threats

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that have been made to me I I believe

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now that some of these myths are zombie

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types that they are actually mind

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controlled mind controlled by someone or

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something somewhere that they are

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perhaps earthly in origin but they are

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easily people who are swayed and go out

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and have no memory perhaps the next day

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of even what they've done I've had one

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case where a gentleman I use that the

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carefully and in quotes would repeatedly

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call me on the phone and threaten me I

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never give out my exact location so he

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02:29:28,700 --> 02:29:26,880
didn't know where I was but this went on

3451
02:29:30,559 --> 02:29:28,710
and on for several months and I didn't

3452
02:29:33,260 --> 02:29:30,569
even call the police and it turned out

3453
02:29:36,349 --> 02:29:33,270
that he was somebody who was living

3454
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:36,359
apparently in Grand Central Station and

3455
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:38,970
I know from talking I did trace his

3456
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:40,470
family down actually they lived in

3457
02:29:46,580 --> 02:29:44,010
Florida and I found that he had a series

3458
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:46,590
of mental of problems and I think that

3459
02:29:51,500 --> 02:29:49,170
this outside therefore whoever is

3460
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:51,510
controlling the phenomena may have

3461
02:29:55,760 --> 02:29:53,760
actually been involved in having him

3462
02:29:57,469 --> 02:29:55,770
make these threats because they couldn't

3463
02:30:00,260 --> 02:29:57,479
materialize and do it themselves

3464
02:30:02,929 --> 02:30:00,270
I had another incident where a plane ten

3465
02:30:07,370 --> 02:30:02,939
bucks him it could also just be an

3466
02:30:10,099 --> 02:30:07,380
isolated lunatic there's been more than

3467
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:10,109
one isolated lunatic that's the that's

3468
02:30:15,679 --> 02:30:12,720
the point maybe this a subject attracts

3469
02:30:18,050 --> 02:30:15,689
people of that nature isolated lunatics

3470
02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:18,060
here we go yes or maybe or maybe they

3471
02:30:22,729 --> 02:30:20,489
really are being controlled I think in

3472
02:30:25,099 --> 02:30:22,739
some cases that there has somebody that

3473
02:30:27,349 --> 02:30:25,109
has actually possessed that which is the

3474
02:30:29,300 --> 02:30:27,359
subject of my next book round trip to

3475
02:30:30,530 --> 02:30:29,310
hell on the flying saucer well no wonder

3476
02:30:32,719 --> 02:30:30,540
we were promoting that book but

3477
02:30:34,040 --> 02:30:32,729
seriously speaking a lot of what we're

3478
02:30:36,530 --> 02:30:34,050
talking about here with men in black

3479
02:30:38,809 --> 02:30:36,540
it's kind of old I mean not that it's

3480
02:30:41,809 --> 02:30:38,819
not important but Jack and Mary Robinson

3481
02:30:43,969 --> 02:30:41,819
in the 60s and the 70s we have of course

3482
02:30:46,429 --> 02:30:43,979
Albert Kate bender in the 50s all that

3483
02:30:48,740 --> 02:30:46,439
other stuff so the question I put to the

3484
02:30:51,320 --> 02:30:48,750
entire panel here and Claudia of course

3485
02:30:54,320 --> 02:30:51,330
your experience is a far more recent but

3486
02:30:56,059 --> 02:30:54,330
Alan you mentioned early on and people

3487
02:30:59,000 --> 02:30:56,069
think I don't remember what people say

3488
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:59,010
and that's only for what I say but I do

3489
02:31:06,349 --> 02:31:01,439
remember Alan you were talking about MIB

3490
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:06,359
from 2010 Dean I recited a long case

3491
02:31:11,740 --> 02:31:08,850
that took place in the 1990s on this

3492
02:31:14,269 --> 02:31:11,750
program earlier on resident do it again

3493
02:31:16,490 --> 02:31:14,279
there are cases that have more recent

3494
02:31:19,820 --> 02:31:16,500
than that the most recent that I know of

3495
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:19,830
was I'm going to keep it a little bit

3496
02:31:24,710 --> 02:31:22,560
anonymous but I would be glad to reveal

3497
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:24,720
the details to you and in private to

3498
02:31:29,331 --> 02:31:27,359
validate it if you need it a friend of

3499
02:31:30,651 --> 02:31:29,341
mine was going to do

3500
02:31:32,571 --> 02:31:30,661
television program and network

3501
02:31:35,031 --> 02:31:32,581
television long whatever they call it

3502
02:31:37,821 --> 02:31:35,041
now a cable large cable system

3503
02:31:40,461 --> 02:31:37,831
television program on the subject of the

3504
02:31:42,171 --> 02:31:40,471
Illuminati now I happen to have had

3505
02:31:44,481 --> 02:31:42,181
something to do with the same program

3506
02:31:47,241 --> 02:31:44,491
but that's sort of a separate issue

3507
02:31:49,821 --> 02:31:47,251
usually those programs they did pretty

3508
02:31:52,791 --> 02:31:49,831
well tim has knows the drill on this day

3509
02:31:56,001 --> 02:31:52,801
they pretty well pay your expenses and

3510
02:31:58,551 --> 02:31:56,011
maybe even give you a per diem it's oh

3511
02:32:00,561 --> 02:31:58,561
yeah nothing to write home about but

3512
02:32:02,390 --> 02:32:00,571
still it's you know they get you there

3513
02:32:05,720 --> 02:32:02,400
and they get to get you back so anyway

3514
02:32:08,720 --> 02:32:05,730
so they they they stash their guests at

3515
02:32:11,841 --> 02:32:08,730
a nice hotel at their expense and this

3516
02:32:13,850 --> 02:32:11,851
particular company did not send out the

3517
02:32:16,821 --> 02:32:13,860
limo and stuff which is nice you know

3518
02:32:18,861 --> 02:32:16,831
people enjoy that but this guy was going

3519
02:32:21,591 --> 02:32:18,871
to talk about his take very different

3520
02:32:24,771 --> 02:32:21,601
from mine on the Illuminati conspiracy

3521
02:32:27,801 --> 02:32:24,781
well I'm not big on conspiracies per se

3522
02:32:30,051 --> 02:32:27,811
and the Illuminati I have perhaps a very

3523
02:32:32,241 --> 02:32:30,061
different interpretation of what and who

3524
02:32:36,771 --> 02:32:32,251
they are and now and we're down to the

3525
02:32:39,921 --> 02:32:36,781
wire here so to summarize he got into a

3526
02:32:42,411 --> 02:32:39,931
cab that was supposedly sent for him and

3527
02:32:45,801 --> 02:32:42,421
the cab driver about halfway there

3528
02:32:48,771 --> 02:32:45,811
proceeds to tell him not to talk about

3529
02:32:50,841 --> 02:32:48,781
the Illuminati the cab driver is dressed

3530
02:32:52,551 --> 02:32:50,851
as a chauffeur or not as the cab driver

3531
02:32:55,551 --> 02:32:52,561
although it was you know your standard

3532
02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:55,561
New York yellow taxi you know the type I

3533
02:32:59,451 --> 02:32:56,730
mean I'm sure you've taken them a

3534
02:33:01,791 --> 02:32:59,461
million times and when he gets there

3535
02:33:05,180 --> 02:33:01,801
throughout his experience with with the

3536
02:33:06,951 --> 02:33:05,190
people on on TV a group of people

3537
02:33:09,111 --> 02:33:06,961
dressed in dark clothing with the

3538
02:33:11,481 --> 02:33:09,121
ray-bans the whole you know that the

3539
02:33:15,171 --> 02:33:11,491
usual set up but clearly not associated

3540
02:33:18,201 --> 02:33:15,181
with the TV crews are shadowing the the

3541
02:33:20,991 --> 02:33:18,211
entire broadcast and the guy understated

3542
02:33:23,061 --> 02:33:21,001
his case out of fear but told me about

3543
02:33:25,461 --> 02:33:23,071
it and asked me to keep you know his

3544
02:33:28,220 --> 02:33:25,471
name confidential which I which I have

3545
02:33:31,251 --> 02:33:28,230
done and which probably is best that I

3546
02:33:34,341 --> 02:33:31,261
do in his case I didn't have a similar

3547
02:33:36,801 --> 02:33:34,351
experience so you know was not not my

3548
02:33:39,531 --> 02:33:36,811
deal but some of the TV crew noticed

3549
02:33:40,821 --> 02:33:39,541
these people and when they asked and

3550
02:33:42,540 --> 02:33:40,831
well what do you have in the way of

3551
02:33:44,520 --> 02:33:42,550
proof he looked around

3552
02:33:45,780 --> 02:33:44,530
look at some of these people and he

3553
02:33:48,750 --> 02:33:45,790
couldn't help himself he laughs

3554
02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:48,760
nervously but also as the irony of the

3555
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:51,040
question and he said all you have to do

3556
02:33:56,070 --> 02:33:53,760
is look around you this was August of

3557
02:34:00,690 --> 02:33:56,080
2010 in New York City

3558
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:00,700
well Gino also the newspaper in Tucson

3559
02:34:05,130 --> 02:34:01,930
that they could say that's gonna turn

3560
02:34:07,950 --> 02:34:05,140
over you I mean responds it ok Tucson

3561
02:34:10,830 --> 02:34:07,960
that Journal there is a lady who does a

3562
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:10,840
USO column that appears in the internet

3563
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:12,880
version of the newspaper a couple of

3564
02:34:18,690 --> 02:34:15,850
times a week she has posted several MIB

3565
02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:18,700
accounts from Arizona I have one in my

3566
02:34:28,469 --> 02:34:22,330
UFO a terrorist a book that took place

3567
02:34:31,170 --> 02:34:28,479
in Palo Verde in July of 2009 so I I

3568
02:34:33,000 --> 02:34:31,180
think well we have two things here some

3569
02:34:34,620 --> 02:34:33,010
people have probably really been

3570
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:34,630
silenced and don't talk about their

3571
02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:36,250
experience right because that's sort of

3572
02:34:41,280 --> 02:34:39,130
the the point of all this and maybe

3573
02:34:43,860 --> 02:34:41,290
again with the the movies being out

3574
02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:43,870
there they don't want to be thought of

3575
02:34:48,150 --> 02:34:45,490
as being lumped together with you know

3576
02:34:51,150 --> 02:34:48,160
the men and black version that you see

3577
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:51,160
on the the giant silver screen which is

3578
02:34:56,639 --> 02:34:54,010
kind of a humorous and metal and fun as

3579
02:34:58,380 --> 02:34:56,649
opposed to the really dreaded to fellows

3580
02:35:02,660 --> 02:34:58,390
out there I'll tell you why we're just

3581
02:35:03,960 --> 02:35:02,670
about ready to close it close shop mm

3582
02:35:06,780 --> 02:35:03,970
yes

3583
02:35:09,300 --> 02:35:06,790
from here on you say there are recent

3584
02:35:11,340 --> 02:35:09,310
cases we just you know in the few

3585
02:35:14,190 --> 02:35:11,350
minutes we have left we've recited all

3586
02:35:16,590 --> 02:35:14,200
four or five to you so you don't have to

3587
02:35:19,559 --> 02:35:16,600
believe any any of the phenomenon but at

3588
02:35:20,730 --> 02:35:19,569
least cop 2 there are recent cases well

3589
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:20,740
that's good to know I think our

3590
02:35:25,080 --> 02:35:23,050
listeners are happy to know that rings

3591
02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:25,090
field where can we find more of the

3592
02:35:33,690 --> 02:35:26,770
things that you talk about or write

3593
02:35:36,719 --> 02:35:33,700
about you google me al LEM gr e-- m SI

3594
02:35:41,690 --> 02:35:36,729
al d allen greenfield and you will get

3595
02:35:46,679 --> 02:35:41,700
hundreds and hundreds of places to go to

3596
02:35:49,170 --> 02:35:46,689
hear more of my either wisdom or ravings

3597
02:35:50,700 --> 02:35:49,180
according to this view you take what

3598
02:35:52,889 --> 02:35:50,710
cinematically where can we find more of

3599
02:35:55,360 --> 02:35:52,899
your snow love the free subscriptions

3600
02:35:57,880 --> 02:35:55,370
for everybody at conspiracy

3601
02:36:00,310 --> 02:35:57,890
calm or would I tell people go to

3602
02:36:02,500 --> 02:36:00,320
amazon.com type in my name Timothy

3603
02:36:04,420 --> 02:36:02,510
Beckley or kin Schwartz or Commander X

3604
02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:04,430
hundreds of books will come up then go

3605
02:36:08,500 --> 02:36:06,890
to our site or my email and we'll give

3606
02:36:11,530 --> 02:36:08,510
you a better deal but don't tell anybody

3607
02:36:13,540 --> 02:36:11,540
and happy holiday to you all Chris

3608
02:36:15,490 --> 02:36:13,550
O'Brien where do we find more of what

3609
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:15,500
you have to offer well have a web site

3610
02:36:18,310 --> 02:36:17,840
our strange planet it is a strange

3611
02:36:23,170 --> 02:36:18,320
planet

3612
02:36:25,450 --> 02:36:23,180
find out information about my all my

3613
02:36:27,430 --> 02:36:25,460
books of my current projects including

3614
02:36:29,290 --> 02:36:27,440
the sob camera project which is moving

3615
02:36:31,301 --> 02:36:29,300
ahead in fits and starts

3616
02:36:34,480 --> 02:36:31,311
and happy holidays to everyone out there

3617
02:36:37,511 --> 02:36:34,490
- Happy New Year a special thank you to

3618
02:36:38,110 --> 02:36:37,521
our crew Greg Bishop our co-host who was

3619
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:38,120
here earlier

3620
02:36:42,551 --> 02:36:40,610
Claudia Cunningham you don't have

3621
02:36:45,940 --> 02:36:42,561
anything to sell that's good to know

3622
02:36:48,580 --> 02:36:45,950
- the Allan Greenfield Tim Bentley Chris

3623
02:36:51,070 --> 02:36:48,590
O'Brien our co-host thank you all for

3624
02:36:51,730 --> 02:36:51,080
joining us on the power cast thank you

3625
02:36:54,070 --> 02:36:51,740
good night

3626
02:36:55,660 --> 02:36:54,080
yeah thanks team you bet thanks you guys

3627
02:36:57,761 --> 02:36:55,670
ago bells jingle bells

3628
02:37:02,889 --> 02:36:57,771
Happy Hanukkah Merry Christmas thank you

3629
02:37:07,749 --> 02:37:05,379
arrogance is calculated presentation of

3630
02:37:10,749 --> 02:37:07,759
making the impossible incorporated tune